Elephants and Jackasses...

Shouldn't he have to at least set up a blind trust for all his businesses before Jan 20th to satisfy your corruption and ethics concerns?

 

You have spent the entire thread turning everything into race and bringing up your personal life. If you want to discuss, by all means, let's discuss. So far you have

- justified that you don't do anything meaningful despite having a profession/living in a community that puts you in a good position
- acted superior towards everyone on here, as well as everyone who lives around you
- postulated a number of theories that don't hold up with data, such as the collapse of American industrial centers being caused by racism

If you want to talk about race let's talk about race. Stop acting like every alternate opinion is racist.

Meh. Blind trusts are wishy washy arrangements that are more about an act of good faith than something you can really enforce. I think he should do it to put people's minds at ease, although the action itself is irrelevant.

Consider though that he put a lot of his own money into the campaign, and his businesses have taken a hit because of his politics. I don't think there's much to go on so far to demonstrate he's going to use the presidency to make himself wealthier.

There will be stories pouring out over the next 4 years on this issue. Whenever the government does anything that a Trump business could take advantage of, or benefit from they'll call it foul play. Given the amount of real estate and business ventures involved with the Trumps it's impossible that this won't happen.

There are some ways he could manipulate the economy for personal gain, but I'm expecting 4 years of bullshit. Especially considering the ongoing corruption within establishment politics that the media does a terrible job of covering. It was barely covered at all by the mainstream media prior to Trump/Bernie.

 

Jesus Christ. Raising a family is meaningful. Stooping to this level to insult somebody is pretty damn low even for this board.

I know you like to be a shithead just to get attention and goad other posters, but let me quote your pm to me from a while back.

 

Call it an insult, it's exactly what he did. I'm not the one who keeps bringing up his personal life. He's doing that. If he doesn't want his personal life to be part of the conversation, then stop bringing it up. PC called him on it because it's odd someone claims to take those issues so seriously, yet seems to lack initiative.

I think teachers should be paid more, but am I really supposed to believe that he would have lost money by teaching? Look at the low end of the cost for the low income families. Maybe next post, he'll say in his area it costs 40k a year, I don't fucking know.

I don't think the choice he made is wrong, I just find it strange considering the constant obsession over the issue and morality screaming. I don't agree with his theories on the subject either, but again, that's not a morality question.

You threw a lot of shit my way too and granted, I brought up a pm a few pages back, but I'm seriously trying to move the conversation away from this personal drama stuff, and focus on, you know, politics. Can we redirect to the subject matter at hand?

 

It's all good Nettbaby, it's all good.

As far as "Trump Surrogates" claiming to want a registry, the clip that was posted was one guy postulating on one possibility that maybe sort of could happen. I honestly don't even know who this Karl guy is? Should I? Is he in Trumps transition group? Is he a speaking head at Fox?
I'd also like to point out, there already is a registry for every legal traveler that enters the country. They are called Passports.

 

I agree that voting for someone doesn't mean you support everything about that candidate, but it doesn't excuse you from responsibility for justifying the vote in its totality. A vote for Trump, after all has been considered, is a very ugly vote, and not one I have seen successfully justified by anyone in any medium.

 

I wasn't much of a Hillary fan either, but if you voted for Trump over Hillary, you have to justify the argument that Hillary was somehow worse than a candidate who openly advocated committing war crimes, seemed at best non concerned by nuclear proliferation, and is an active climate change denier. I haven't seen it done.

 

You're right that I really don't expect to be convinced. But it's not like I started from this position, I got here based on his words and writings. But you're right that there's likely nothing a voter can say that will carry more weight than his own words.

 

Some people care more about what someone has/does do, not what they say. I still haven't seen anything even a little convincing that Trump is racist other than the media blowing their horn over a few gaffes. A stronger stance on immigration or terrorism does not equal racist. Comments like super predators and the '08 campaign strategies of Hillary seem a lot more racist to me, but again, it was really just the media trying to create a narrative where it didn't exist. I guess the left should be really mad at the women and latinos who voted Trump if they take this so seriously. It's not like you can win an election with just white males. Even with the sexual assault allegations, Hillary had her own rotten record the left refused to acknowledge. Hillary's own war and foreign policy record beat anything Trump said.

Maybe the shaming stuff would have worked if Trump was running against someone like Obama or Bernie. Since it was Hillary I was just in constant amazement the media was trying to push it so hard.

 

I haven't focused much on race because while I do think Trump ran a campaign that used a lot of racist dogwhistles, he was much more explicit and clear about things that were much worse. They should have been immediately disqualifying.

 

What you don't seem to understand is that Trump voters would say the same thing if Hillary had won. Neither side can understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for the other candidate. It's all based on how you feel and what issues are important to you. I don't think either side is very good at understanding that fact.

 

Seems like most of the people on here bit their tongue regardless of which candidate they chose. Sure, there's people who actually believed Trump when he said he never grabbed anyone by the pussy, or that Hillary wasn't corrupt, but that's what CNN is for.

 

That may be true, but I've never had a problem understanding how anyone in their right mind could vote for the other candidate before. Sure I had my preferences, and I believed my priorities were better priorities than other voters, but this is the first time I've had the reaction of utter disbelief and contempt for the people who voted for a candidate. "The United States should not commit war crimes" is not some faggy liberal ideal, and if that is truly up for discussion in this country we are lost.

 

I agree, it's just that Hillary committed them too, but doesn't just blurt it out publicly like Trump does. You got to hand it to the guy, he really doesn't give a fuck. I'd like to not be a country that didn't try to justify causing a million causalities with agent orange while politicians constantly talk about respecting the Geneva convention. The way I justified this was that while Trump seems like an asshole, Hillary appeared to be the more hawkish candidate, and not in a necessary way. Not exactly a proud reason to vote for someone, but there you go.

 

It's sad to me that you have contempt for at least half the country. Like, it honestly hurts my heart that you will move through your day-to-day life, and the people with whom you interact - at stores, in the street, at work - are contemptible to you. It's hard to treat someone with grace or to lift them up in some way, when you're expecting to despise half of them. Good luck, man.

 

I did not want to find myself in this position, but I have reached no other conclusion. I cannot excuse an electorate that cheers on war crimes as "tough" and would support nuclear proliferation just to save a buck (and then not save that buck anyway). This was a disgusting and degrading election for the United States and I'm not convinced we will ever recover, we certain won't any time soon.

 

As sad as it is, America has a real problem with their obsession with the military. Patriotism and honoring veterans is understandable, but getting all excited about "bombing the shit out of" another country is kind of fucked up.

 

Bullshit.

He will cave under international pressure to come up with an explanation that saves American and American allied face.


I don't understand where y'all are coming up wit this fantasy version of Trump that stands by his word, doesn't fold and make excuses, and can handle the heat the kitchen generates.