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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. ODEN

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    I'm not in a corner. If this is telling on myself, I will continue until we get serious people talking about term limits and removing money from politics. It's no secret that I don't support much of what the Federal Government does. I am far from alone in that sentiment. I continually say that both parties essentially stand for the same thing but argue the fringe to make you feel as though they are different. Which party isn't pro-regime change, which party isn't pro-bailouts, which party isn't pro-outsourcing of living wage-paying jobs, which party isn't pro big-pharma, which party isn't pro-big business.....I can keep going because none of them are. Nothing about this should come as a shock. I want it to break; it's the only thing we haven't tried in order to actually fix the problem.

    You think 80k dead here hangs on Trump? Please! The Government is as fucked up as a two dollar watch and has been for a while now. Career unelected bureaucrats pull the levers, develop policy and run the day-to-day operations. It took a long time for them to suck this bad...it wasn't Bush or Obama or Trump. They. Suck.

    Let's assume for a minute Trump did kill these people with COVID-19 though. Let's also assume Biden is the Government too because he is. He is a shitty life-long politician. With that in mind, how many people did both parties kill in Iraq with the bipartisan regime change war? American and Iraqi, what's that number? Is that number greater than or less than 80k. How about the number of people the politicians have killed by allowing the likes of Purdue Pharma to ram-rod oxycontin down the collective American throat, greater than or less than 80k? Lots of track record, not all of it very pretty for that guy.
     
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    You need to explain it to me, I saw nothing in that clip that made me think Trump would be a good president.
     
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    She was the only nominee with a favorability rating under water, and was a by a margin double her positive. Democrat voters saw someone decent, and they hated her. Racist, hates the gays, Putin puppet, republican lackey, blah blah blah nonsense. She was pushed out. She left voluntarily before it was fully forced, but I can't blame her for looking at that swamp of idiocy and saying "fuck this".
     
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    This is a stupefying lack of imagination. We can't fix it, so anarchy? My car needs an oil change, so instead of that, I'm doing to run it into the ground?
    That's the mentality of going on a few bad dates and going "fuck it, I guess I'll start sucking dick now."

    Real talk, have you ever visited a country that's had a recent coup? Or a dramatic regime change? You ever lived through a "break"?
    Fun times: take a bus from Mexico to Panama, and look out the window as the borders change. Write down the years for each country's last coup and you can visibly see how the kind of nonsense you're spouting plays out. Do a little research on some places that have endured the changes you're talking about and think really hard about how that would work here, when our system is complex and delicate, everyone has guns and strong opinions, and they are riotously opposed to change.

    This is also an incredibly self-centered view. "It doesn't work for me, so it should be wiped off the map." That's the mentality of a lonely sociopath, and not one we can have a functioning society around. It's unfortunate that it's taken seriously at all, and it led to one of the worst elected administrations in our history in terms of corruption, erosion of rule of law and erosion of our hard-fought international power.

    I agree we need better representation. We need to hold our representatives to higher standards. We need this whole fucking thing to work better. No argument. There's tremendous disfunction, at all levels and parties. I think it starts and ends with the money in politics.
    Two things here:
    1. What are you doing to fix it? When have you called your representative? Or emailed them? Or donated to a campaign for someone you think will enact change? If the fucking Tiger King thought he had a future in politics, surely there's someone you can get behind? I recall a study that said lobbyists input is about 1/12th as valuable as voter input. Think about the millions spent on lobbying in your backyard for whatever the fuck they want...you have 12 times the power of that industry by picking up the phone and saying, "Hey fuck-face, don't do that shit. If you do, you'll lose my vote and I'll bad mouth you to my whole crew."

    2. What's a better system? How do we get there? If you want to have a serious discussion about doing things right, I'm here for it.

    This kind of thinking is especially prescient now, because I'm looking around my hometown dealing with COVID-19 outbreaks among hospital staff and in nursing homes, and people do not give a fuck. This is more dangerous than everything except heart failure and ALL CANCERS COMBINED, and people are more angry they can't get a haircut. That is a sense of entitlement that truly scares me. These people have never known want or scarcity. They've never had to critically think about how their basic needs are met. They've never had to peek behind the curtain at all the things that work to deliver cheap TV's, gummy bears and toilet paper. They've deluded themselves into thinking the people that struggle to meet their most basic human needs are inferior, made worse choices or somehow deserve that fate. Now that they can't go to church on Sunday, eat their ribs and watch their football, they are angry because they didn't do anything wrong! Why are they suffering because of some Chinese virus hitting New York? Those sumbitches deserved it, all packed together like sardines! We shouldn't have to deal with their bullshit....we're God's chosen people and we deserve to never have to want for anything! How dare you inconvenience me with your needs?

    Spoiler alert: virus don't care, and while it might not be your problem right here and right now, it's somebody's problem sometime somewhere. That somebody is an American, and that needs to mean more to us to start fixing anything.
     
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    Fixing it doesn't require breaking anything. All it requires is for voters to stop electing corrupt pieces of shit, religious zealots, and partisan whackos. This country is way too fucked up and stupid to implement this very simple solution in any foreseeable future.
     
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    Downndirty, have YOU, as a regular citizen - not a government employee - ever tried to talk to your state representative?

    'Cause I've tried, and they wouldn't talk to me.
    Back when my brother was in prison, and he was working on his appeal.
    He found some damning discrepancies in some of his court documents, and for some reason he needed our rep's signature, which was continually being ignored.
    So I called. And called.
    Nothing.
    Then I went over. They lied and said that he wasn't in. I SAW HOM GO IN.

    Moral: it's not as easy as you make it sound.
     
  7. Revengeofthenerds

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    Wait what?!?

    regardless of your feelings for Biden (I like him, but whatever, not everyone does), we have to vote Trump out. This shit is gonna get worse before it gets better, possibly before November. Article link.
     
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    “Hi. My brother is in prison and needs your signature.”

    No wonder they didn’t respond. Why didn’t he go through his attorney?
     
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    He was acting as his own attorney (appeals can be a bit pricey).

    He sent evidence of the malfeasance (a judge's signature was forged) to our rep several times, and was ignored every time.
    That's where I came in.

    You'd think a congressman would be a little more interested in something like that, but no.
     
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    They know its a numbers game. If enough of their base believes that COVID is bullshit, which they do, and they can get enough people to the polls, they win. And as usual, allowing people to vote is considered fraud in the GOP. Even though the most major cases the last few years have been from people in the GOP.
     
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    At this point Trump could charbroil a puppy alive, eat it right in front of the Republican base and they would blame the dog’s death on the Libs allowing animals to run loose. They are an utterly lost and hopeless shitpile of human beings.
     
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    Sure, because that's how you convert voters. That's some good coalition building there, Vern.
     
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    The cult-like following of many Trump supporters, and I know a lot of them, is kinda concerning to me though. Any sort of criticism, even when called for, is met with resistance and automatic enrollment in the "enemy camp" as far as they're concerned. As if by speaking unfavorably of one you're obviously supporting the other. It seriously makes me wonder about the true nature of some of my friends and family that in their eyes he is a great man, even when he is acting out in the lowest way he can.
     
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    I am no stranger to it, but I think we will go no further as a country with one side name calling and shit talking the other.

    It's an incredible cognitive dissonance, and its terrifying how twisted around the axle people get.

    But if Apartheid can be overcome, so can this bullshit, and the sooner we knock off the tribalism the better.
     
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    If y'all want to see just how brainwashed Trump supporters are, you should go to the "Ask Trump Supporters" thread on Reddit.

    Holy dogshit, the things those people say will blow your mind.

    I've actually been thinking of making a fake profile, signing up as a supporter, and fucking with them.
     
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    How do we know that this isn't what most of those users are already doing?
     
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    Call it a hunch, but most of them sound pretty convinced.
    They actually sound like some of the board members here on some subjects.
     
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    Like half of this thread is people posting twitter 'slams' and 'clapbacks'.
     
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    Funny thing about those vote by mail ballots...

    Here is Vegas they're kind of piling up all over the place unclaimed. People moving from apartments and houses and leaving no forwarding address? Ballot goes on top of the mail box and ends up blowing down the street for anyone to fill out and mail in.

    That could be problematic.