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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    Thinking about Biden vs Trump... you know how people would say things like "I would vote for (insert inanimate object) over Trump? It's as if Biden took this to heart and his strategy is working brilliantly. He has hardly done anything at all the entire campaign and is steamrolling his way forward. Still rising in the polls. Finally, a man who knows what the American public wants.
     
  2. downndirty

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    Yeah, it's almost as if....Trump is really bad at being president.

    FOCUS:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/supreme-court-lgbt-rights-decision-319693

    "Writing for the court’s majority, the conservative Gorsuch embraced arguments that seemed radical to many liberals just a few years ago: that the 1964 Civil Rights Act's prohibition on sex discrimination in employment also effectively banned bias based on sexual orientation or gender identity, even though few if any members of Congress thought they were doing that at the time."

    Part of me thinks that extending Title VII to the LGBT community is a misstep because members of this community can pass as non-members, in a way that members of a black community could not, or that their orientation could change over time. I think they should be protected from discrimination, but doing it under the Civil Rights Act might not be the best way, given that it's a hell of a lot harder to prove someone was discriminated against based on their sexual orientation than it would be to prove they were discriminated against based on their race. I can also imagine the shit show of requiring people to list sexual orientation on HR forms to prevent discrimination, and how...well, people wouldn't fucking want to do that for a number of reasons. This also gives some air coverage to support the removal of other protections implemented by the Obama administration, like the ones Donny T rolled back (coinciding with the anniversary of the Pulse nightclub shooting, but I'm sure...that wasn't intentional).

    As it stands, it'll be a few years to see how this ruling will take effect, but it's kind of a big deal.
     
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    I don't care about these rulings one way or the other that much. On paper they make sense, in practice they end up being kind of silly in my experience. It's really hard to prove you chose not to hire someone over discriminatory reasons for one. The other thing is it just ends up stupifying the hiring process for 'unskilled' labor if you have government contracts.

    Hrs in this position have to hire blindly because the law assumes you are racist, antigay, hate jews, blah blah blah. So you end up with shit like hiring women for heavy lifting jobs, and people who barely speak English for stuff they need to be able to write and read English competently to do. So they hate it and get transferred after a couple weeks to something more appropriate.

    All in all, it doesn't really matter, it's just kind of stupid. Maybe somewhere it works like it's supposed to, but not in the fields I've worked in.
     
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    Agreed, it's a vexing problem to prevent discrimination in hiring. I've coached folks to list resume as "Initial dot Last name Resume", so as to not give away gender and minimize the likelihood of someone reading a name like "Draymond Green" and tossing it, because they assume the person is black. But that only gets them through a tiny hurdle, and does nothing for the dozens of larger ones that follow. There's no great way to do it, and a Supreme Court ruling on something that's difficult to prove isn't going to change things.

    On the back end, it's slightly easier to prove someone got fired for discriminatory purposes, but still a crapshoot.
     
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    Anyone following the claims being dropped from Bolton's book? It's a veritable smorgasbord:
    • Pompeo described Trump as 'so full of shit'
    • Trump said it would be 'cool' to invade Venezuela because the country is 'really part of the United States'
    • Trump call journalists 'scumbags' who should be 'executed'
    • Trump was willing to halt criminal investigations to 'give personal favors to dictators he liked'
    • Trump didn't know that Britain was a nuclear power
    • Trump asked if Finland was part of Russia
    • Trump "pleaded" with Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win re-election in 2020 by purchasing more US farming products
    • Trump told Erdogan he would take care of things, explaining that the Southern District prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people
    • Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do
     
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    im totally reading this book
     
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    Yet he refused to attend his Senate deposition and bring any of this up during the impeachment trial.
     
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    Bolton has always been a piece of shit who's more interested in himself than doing the right thing, so it doesn't surprise me that he saved this for something that would line his pockets instead of something that would help the country, but these are still some wild claims.
     
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    And he apparently thinks the most disturbing thing is Trump refusing to start a war? Am I reading that right?
     
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    Bolton can't get hard unless Middle Easterners are dying, so it wouldn't surprise me, but none of the claims I listed were related to Trump refusing to start a war. Is there another claim Bolton made that I didn't list?
     
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    It’s not one of his claims, but I’m reading into why left on such a sour note which was his impetus to writing the book. Apparently, he was devastated that Trump didn’t bomb the shit out of Iran after pulling out of the nuclear deal. I usually write-off Vox, but a similar article with the same story appeared elsewhere:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...859357/john-bolton-trump-war-north-korea-iran
     
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    I don't think anyone thinks Bolton's motives are pure, at least I certainly don't. He's trying to hurt Trump, but that doesn't mean the weapons he's using against Trump aren't real.
     
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    I think Bolton is a fucktard... but that doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true. Doesn't mean it IS true, either... but it sure is believable.
     
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    Yeah, sure is. But him not saying a god damn word during the impeachment process and only when he wants to make money is a bit suspect.
     
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    maybe he was just getting ready to.... Bolt?
     
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    Honestly there is the very real chance that he realized there was never any real chance the Republicans would convict him so decided to save his ammo for later when he might have a shot at actually hurting him ie shortly before the election. The fact that this option also lines his pockets is just a nice side benefit.
     
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    It could also be that he's a huge piece of shit that is just in it for himself... that, too, is believable, but doesn't make what he said to be any more or less true, in my opinion.
     
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    It’s Bolton. He has wanted to bomb the Middle East for over two decades now, and he STILL won’t dye his moustache to match his toupee.
     
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    He did say that if he were subpoenaed, he would be happy to testify at the impeachment trial. But I think he knew the GOP were going to hold a phony trial and not call witnesses and dems didn't feel they had time to fight a blocked Bolton subpoena from the House so they let it go.
     
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    He did, then didn't, then did, then he had his lawyer threaten to lock up any subpoena request in court. That's not exactly a willing participant. I'm not denying the veracity of his claims because I don't know one way or the other, but lets not pretend he's some paragon of virtue and honesty because he adds a new tingle to the anti-Trump boners.