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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Crown Royal

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    Matt Gaetz has to be one the whiniest, most crybaby twerps in your country. Who the fuck would vote for him and be proud of it? He’s like a spoiled, petulant teenage girl who got her Ferrari privileges taken away.

    The problem with pussies like him is that they refuse to acknowledge they are the root of the problem occurring.
     
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    Person Trump Fired Makes Trump Look Bad, Take 129,483,920,352,324...in this episode, some grumpy old war hawk who jerks off to Rambo movies that Trump shouldn't have hired in the first place wrote a book about how Trump was a doddering idiot and a pussy for not bombing 30% of Asia.

    The fact that Bolton's "tell-all" went through review with minor edits, and contains a lot of his paraphrasing makes me skeptical. Certainly Colonel Pushbroom had a bad time, but I feel like for $2m, it's more exaggeration and statements like "I believe Putin thinks Trump is...", which are functionally meaningless and intended to provoke.

    Is Trump incompetent at statecraft? I'm not seeing a lot of evidence to the contrary. Is Bolton's book hard evidence? Nope. It's a lot of "see, whut had happened wuz...."

    Until there are some official documents supporting/corroborating this, or some other high profile leaks, this is the equivalent of someone fired from a Wendy's telling people about what an asshole the manager is.
     
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    If they feel like the book is full of inaccurate info, they could sue for defamation instead of trying to keep it from coming out at all.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/politics/john-bolton-memoir-takeaways.html

    Scroll down and it describes the review/release process it went through. I don't think it's factually inaccurate, in the sense that those meetings never happened. I think it's a sensationalized account of them, paraphrased and designed to fan flames. I also think that Bolton can't paint too vivid a picture, otherwise he theoretically could implicate himself in actual crimes and become a target for prosecution himself.

    To your point, do you think Trump actually READ the book? I think it's more likely he found out he was the subject and asked his lawyers what they could do to stop it, and was told by claiming the review process wasn't done properly they stood the best chance of delaying it until after November. Suing for defamation is like like Immortan Joe using moisturizer and foundation on his skin tumors. Trump probably wouldn't win much (the deal was for $2m, and I can't imagine it's going to fare much better than the rest of the tales from the tailspin), and the concern is the damage done to Trump ahead of the election.

    If Trump sued some of his former staffers for defamation, I would eat a heroic amount of edibles and watch the entire trial, because that would be the funniest shit ever televised. The man has waged a war with factual reality for years now, and no one in their right mind would let him testify under oath that water is wet or the sky is blue, much less regarding the discussions held with Xi or Putin. Can you imagine the preschool name-calling he'd engage in? I'm betting he's coming up with a catchy yet disparaging nickname for Bolton now, like "Melancholy Mustache Mustafa", "Boltin Bolton", or "Bolton the Dolt".

    I think Trump is incompetent at statecraft, and likely cut deals he benefited from. Going back to the impeachment process, I think he totally withheld aid for political dirt, but no one in the Senate cared. I also think he didn't get caught the first and only time he did that. Bolton's book is "evidence" of that, similar to the news interviewing random idiots who stood there and watched a train wreck occur, going "I SEENT THA WHOLE SHIT, TERRY! DAT SHIT WENT LIKE WHOOO!".

    If the book contains official transcripts, I would be wrong. If it's Bolton's recollections of conversations two other people were having that he was essentially eavesdropping on....pass.
     
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    How about Mattis' speechwriter confirming one of the claims? https://twitter.com/GuySnodgrass/status/1273359990905024513
     
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    Trump hates reporters? Next you're going to tell me that's not his natural skin color.

    Eye opening from the NYT:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/politics/trump-2020-election.html

    "While he has shown enthusiasm for his trademark rallies, he has not seemed excited about the possibility of governing for four more years"

    "One official...claimed policy staff members were told just this week to come up with initiatives for 2021 and beyond."
    Yeah, what is the 2021 platform, other than clean up the mess? More "winning"?

    "Several current and former aides said...they were no longer confident he was enthused about presiding over the difficult task of pulling the country out of a recession, with few moments of glory."
    In other words...."I don't want to clean up the mess I've made." and also begging the question...what was glorious about his tenure?

    From Sam Nunberg: "It was always clear Trump wanted to be elected president. But the reality of being president was never discussed."
    Yeah, it feels like they never discussed it.

    "He has told advisers that no matter what he does, he cannot get "good" stories from the press"
    Do you count asking Tucker Carlson? https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...le-viewer-would-think-tucker-carlson-is-news/
     
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    Why ask for corroboration on something you already know to be true then?
     
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    so he's gonna punt the next election, claim voter fraud to absolve himself of actually "losing" and try to hide out in mar-a-lago while avoiding jail time?
     
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    Sorry, I was thinking more about discussions with foreign leaders in terms of corroboration. Hasnt he said something similar elsewhere?

    Dont get me wrong, it's not a good look.
     
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    Trump's very bad, no good day continues:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/politics/facebook-trump-ads-antifa-red-triangle.html

    Also, is there a factual basis for Antifa being the big bad wolf all of the sudden? I get that the right-wingers don't have a monopoly on violence, but it seems like they are blamed for quite a bit these days and I didn't know they had a symbol, much less that they were walking around radicalizing liberals or whatever. Putting it differently: I know slogans, symbols and membership for a lot of alt-right groups, ranging from the fucking Klan (SC roots, after all), to the Proud Boys. Antifa seems to be a bit less of an organization and more of a boogey man.

    At a minimum, they seem to go to a lot of the same riots the BLM crowd does all of the sudden.
     
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    Whenever polls look bad for Republicans, they trot out a boogieman. At this point the playbook is so old that Vince Lombardi's ghost thinks it's been run into the ground.
     
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    he's digging himself deeper. Just had a conversation with our UPS driver. Though I only in general "know" him, I would describe the dude as a very heavy trumper, deep-state conspiracy type dude. And he just said, in a lot more words, that he's given up, this country is in the toilet and the only way to get out is to get trump out. Orange imbecile is turning even his die hard supporters against him.
     
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    Why does anyone care about any of them? I really don't get this emerging obsession with these groups. The right should shut up about antifa, but goddamn, am I sick of hearing about the kkk and the proud boys too.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/politics/donald-trump-tulsa-protesters/index.html
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/19/donald-trump-campaign-rally-tulsa-protesters-329439

    "The mayor said "individuals from organized groups who have been involved in destructive and violent behavior in other States are planning to travel to the City of Tulsa for purposes of causing unrest in and around the rally."
    Really? How y'all finding that out? What organized group was like 'yeah, we gonna fuck Tulsa up' when the mayor called?

    Also, "Oklahoma recently reported its largest single day increase in Coronavirus cases since the start of the pandemic, and the arena where the rally will take place is requesting a written plan from the campaign "detailing the steps the event will institute for health and safety, including those related to social distancing."

    ...meaning they haven't sent one. It took an Oklahoma Supreme Court ruling to remove requirements for masks and social distancing during the rally. It's conspicuous that none of Trump's inner circle wear a mask....and I can only imagine the absolute carnival of tard around trying to enforce COVID-19 countermeasures at a Trump rally, especially the day after he said wearing a mask had political implications. So, apparently Trump rally attendees have immunity to Coronavirus, since they don't need to abide by the countermeasures. Seems odd then that you have to sign a waiver promising not to sue if you get it there.

    Trump tweeted: "Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!"
    My favorite response is from Politico: "Trump, who does not control local law enforcement in Oklahoma, did not elaborate on what type of resistance those who gather in opposition to his presence in Tulsa might encounter." Y'know, what with there being some Constitutional rights involved and all.

    "The campaign event — which overlaps with a two-day local celebration of Juneteenth, a holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the United States. The rally was initially scheduled to take place Friday on Juneteenth, but Trump last week announced it would instead be held Saturday after facing significant criticism for the initial choice of date. Trump was also roundly rebuked for the campaign’s decision to organize the rally in Tulsa, the city where white mobs in 1921 burned a prosperous black community in what has come to be considered among the worst incidents of racial violence in American history."

    I can think of a lot of ways this could go wrong, but just going by the lead-up to this what city is looking at this and going: "Oh man, I can't wait til he holds a rally here next!"

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...-right-extremists-target-washington-dc-329771:
    "Intel report warns that far-right extremists may target Washington, D.C.
    The district is "likely an attractive target" for the boogaloo movement and other groups, the intelligence assessment warns."

    Gee, I wonder? Aren't these the same people that brought guns to protest....a virus? I can only imagine why they would gather some attention, especially the ones talking about a sequel to the Goddamned Civil War. Or am I the only one who remembers why Waco was famous in the 90's?
     
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    They aren't going to start a second civil war...