Elephants and Jackasses...

There is a push to have debate moderators use a mute button and camera controls to enforce debate rules and I think that this is a terrible idea.

I think that tRump and Pence rambling on and being unable to follow basic agreed upon instructions is hurting them.

Their fans have been watching them through the Fox "News" lens where rambling nonsense has been trimmed down to 15 second clips.

Now their fans are watching them flail and ramble.

They are seeing tRump and Pence the way the rest of America has been seeing them.

And they are reevaluating.

Adding mute buttons, timers and rules that they can't easily trample over will only make them seem more palatable.

When the purpose of the debates is to pull the undecideds and disaffected republicans on to the democrat side.

And what gets the current chunk of undecideds and disaffected republicans on side has less to do with Biden's message and more to do with them watching petulant narcissists unfiltered and getting that deep feeling of unease that is required to overcome their cognitive dissonance.

I never expected US politics to devolve to the plot of Scooby Doo.

But letting people seeking power ramble on until the truth of their character and convictions comes out looks to be a winning strategy for Democrats.

 

That’s true, we have the parliamentary system and it’s better than the electoral college. Hands down. Your vote counts for real.

 

But are they though? Friend of mine* messaged me first things this morning "You watch the debate? Pence fucking CRUSHED her." Went on about how he just beat her at every turn and she came off looking like a complete bitch
*he's educated, white collar, articulate etc. Don't want people thinking he's just another knuckle dragging, mouth breathing Trumpster frothing at the mouth.

lol @ you always making sure you type it "tRump"

 

Those are just some fine people trying to LIBERATE MICHIGAN. Why can't you and the FBI see that?

 

It’s like I said, when a debate is fairly normal, each group thinks their side won. But also, sexism isn’t only found in one socioeconomic class. Calling Harris a bitch while staying silent on Trumps behavior is just one example of it. A lot of men really feel uncomfortable around strong women. Add in the fact that she’s black and Asian and now she’s a bitch.

One of my wife’s friends is a high powered attorney who makes a ton of money and is just plain hot. That girl had the hardest time dating when she was single because a lot of guys were intimidated by her. She’s scary smart and I would never want to be caught in an argument with her.

 

Precisely. They only MADE the bombs, they didn’t use them.

 

The last couple of election was won by fractions of a percentage point in the states that matter in the electoral collage this is a battle for the centrists.

The diehard supporters aren't going to budge. But the people who can afford to tune out the political stuff and live in their own self selected bubbles are the ones who will sway the election.

With COVID, the attacks on ACA and the way income tax returns were messed with causing most people to end up on that "owing a bit" category instead of the "buying a new TV" category is what will push people from tRump.

The fact that tRump has accomplished nothing other then a massive corporate tax cut and building a stock market bubble that looks suspiciously like 1929 is really working against him.

Why is he your friend?

 

Biden's worst and best polls for the last three days:

Tuesday: +6 | +16
Yesterday: +8 | +14
Today: +8 | +18

If this race doesn't tighten up, and quick, we could be headed for a historic blowout.

 

Eh, no one wants to admit to supporting Trump. No one thinks Trump supporters are intelligent, rational, non-racist people (it doesn't help that if you're a conspiracy theorist, racist or have anarchist tendencies, you're most likely a Trump supporter). So, the polls are probably more reliable than 2016, but...we're still a long way from November.

I read the "silent majority" in this race is a lot of people like us. People that normally aren't terribly political, but get dragged into it day after day, week after week, month after month. Nothing is apolitical now: not a Goddamned virus, not football, not Taylor fucking Swift. And we're TIRED of having our politics be a reality tv show. Tired of this being an embarrassment. Tired of the incredibly ramped up rhetoric on both sides. That is probably the most powerful voting bloc in the next 20 years: the "Goddamn, I am burned out" vote. I think it will win Biden this election, because he's a return to normalcy, and he knows how shut the fuck up for a while. That's really what we want after 2020, right?

From the media, I greatly prefer to be told "Who, what, when, where and why it's important enough to be news", without being told how to feel about it. I hope we get back to that very soon, because this shit is untenable.

A lot of these things can't be put back in the box. For my part, I will never vote Republican again: after 9/11, the financial crisis, and now this? Nope. Amazingly, every Republican administration in my life has had a "black swan" event that crashed the economy and fucked up the country, and they simply couldn't lead their way out of it. I have higher expectations of my government after travelling and seeing other countries' governments actually solve problems, and make a meaningful impact on their citizen's lives in the form of education, healthcare, infrastructure and security. At this point, what is a Republican vote even FOR? Moral majority? Fiscal conservatism? Anti-abortion? Murica, fuck yeah? The only consistent thing I can see is it's pro-corporation and big business, and...well, I'm not supportive of that.

Security, for me, is the biggest piece: I don't feel secure here, and I may never. Economic security? Don't make me laugh...and I have a federal job, that is about as safe as it comes. I'm one tumor away from medical bankruptcy and again...some of the best benefits in the land. I can't afford a house (and I'm searching across 3 states) because I'm buying on one income. I'm late to that game because student loans. All of this when I'm supposed to be in my peak earning and spending years? I'm working more than my parents did, to afford a shittier lifestyle, with worse liberties and fewer benefits....and I am in one of the most secure and well-paid sectors out there. Looking at things like this will drive you insane, and it's incredibly frustrating, and the politicians making these decisions are easily held accountable (and in some cases, they absolutely should be).

I know, I'm responsible for my choices, and God knows I am happy to keep working at what I'm doing: I am cosmically fortunate. I am pointing out that shit is harder than it has to be now, and that is going to influence a lot of voting patterns in the future. For a lot of people, Trump was a desperation vote: let him break the system because it's damned sure not working for me.

The candidates who court the labor vote win, and since most of us aren't in a union anymore, that is getting ever more fragmented and desperate, and that is truly scary.

 

There is a section of the population out there that aren't talking. They aren't talking because the Democrats, buttressed by Hollywood/Big Media/Large Corporations, frame the argument that nobody can disagree with them for an honest reason. You either have to hate the poors, the POCs, the gays or some other group in order to disagree with them. I am in the middle ground. I make too much money to benefit from anything the democrats are offering. I don't make enough to really benefit from anything the Republicans are doing but I am considered wealthy still. I am always part of the group that takes a beating from the IRS, no matter which way it goes.

I voted for Trump because I have a real problem with DC and the unchecked accumulation of power, my view hasn't changed. Hillary Clinton was DC. DC has closed ranks and fought him tooth and nail every step of the way. The vote for Trump in 2016 was a vote against DC. The vote for many in 2020 is a vote against DC again. I love entertainment though; in 2020, I would love to hear someone make the argument that Joe Biden isn't DC right now.

 

Joe Biden is a human person, and DC is a city along the Potomac River. Therefore, Joe Biden is not (and in fact cannot be) DC.

 

I don't know that he is. It is inhuman to be able to regenerate hair in such a manner that you dramatically change your hairline the way he does. Looking at the video footage from his failed 1988 Presidential campaign where he dropped out due to being caught lying and plagiarizing, he clearly has much more hair today. That isn't a natural human trait.

 

A Trump voter talking about unnatural hair on a candidate? That's quite thin ice you tread on.

 

Trump's re-shaped scalp is standard fodder. What is the point of talking about it at this point, I mean, what can you possibly say that hasn't been said in the last 4 years? Whereas, the critique of Biden hasn't really been out there. What does the care regime look like to maintain that face and those plugs? The media sure goes easy on him as do the punditry, don't they? You could extend that from his hair plugs to his record if you chose to. It sure seems, even at a cursory glance, there sure could be plenty to critique if someone wanted to be honest.

 

i thought you had a problem with the “unchecked accumulation of power”? Isn’t the Biden/Harris ticket, in many ways, a check on the current corrupt administration’s accumulation of power?

 

I see that you are willing to excuse 100 terrible tRump things to justify your vote.

Have you tried excusing 208,000 terrible tRump things?

Or are you convinced that Biden would have let 2,000,000 people die from COVID?

I'm only asking because you seem to always show up to these discussions with a complaint about Democrats that everyone else can easily see tRump being vastly more guilty of.

It is like you only care if Democrats do something bad and you are 100% willing to let Republicans do anything they want.

 

I really don't know what to say. A private citizen with 3.5 years of Government service trying to affect change or an individual from the previous administration who has accumulated 40+ years of "public service" as an elected official. Generally, I would agree Republicans are the party of status quo, yet I'm not sure that holds true in this instance. I don't view Trump as a Republican, he effectively stole the nomination from the annointed Bush monarchy leading up to the 2016 election. Biden is the neoliberal contiuation of the war/big business party that has ruled DC for decades now.

KindalAss,

Not only am I a Trump voter. I was an Obama voter for the first term. It's unclear if there is any logic at all to what you write here. Explain the path to placing that body count at the President's feet. I really don't understand what you mean by 2MM killed by Biden. Maybe I'll agree, maybe I won't.