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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. downndirty

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    Official tally is four dead and 13 injured. Fourteen officers were injured as well, with one serious. I am glad it's not worse, but this is third world bullshit.

    Also, if you had any sort of Trump support on your car in DC or NOVA last night, in at least 4 different neighborhoods, you woke up to slashed tires.

    This is domestic terrorism, and the people participating in it are terrorists.

    The President of the United States fomented a damned riot that got 4 people killed for absolutely no reason than to keep his name in the headlines.

    You are mistaken. At work, there's a daily operations briefing, and the National Capital Region team reports out. The past couple of days, they have been briefing on these protests. The President doesn't get involved in DC traffic direction, and I wish I was kidding when I say there was an unspoken belief the President wouldn't actually incite violence the way he did. The Capital had the appropriate level of security for these events from a historical perspective, but the escalation and appropriate use of force was not applied when security began to fail. Also, when the call for backup went out, it was late (see "police didn't escalate or use appropriate force").

    In other words, they didn't do what they normally do to disperse crowds, and it led to them being overwhelmed, their backup delayed and made it last far longer. Also, the DOD fuckery will go down in history as some pretty shitty crisis response from a CofC perspective. From the representatives, to Twitter, to the police, everything done to get this situation under control was too little, too late. Everyone continues to underestimate this movement in the stupidest of ways, and this ensures the attention and validation they so desperately crave will continue.

    For what we do next:
    Start by finding out who funds domestic terrorism: https://newrepublic.com/article/160800/corporate-money-trump-gop-coup
    Start ignoring the people at the top. Mute them. Block them. Force them to corners of the internet where they are shouting at their own feet.

    I have no issues with conservative folks, or people who have slightly different beliefs than me. Lots of ways to get to a better country, and the division is silly.
    However, I feel the same way about the domestic terrorists as I do about the ones who flew planes into buildings: you should be shot like a sick animal, and you have no place in our democracy, society or country.

    Source for that one?
     
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    From an interview:

    “"They’re not going to stop. This is a movement, I’m telling you, they’re not going to stop, and everyone beware because they’re not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they’re not going to let up, and they should not, and we should not."

    And she also tried to help raise bail money for rioters arrested in Minnesota.
     
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    So....by paraphrasing P. Diddy, she's "actively encouraging rioters"?

    Sorry man, not buying it. Maybe it's me, but I read that and go..."ok" but this is a far cry from the crusade-type language used to cause yesterday's events.

    Also, "actively encouraging rioters" implies statements were made, y'know...during the rioting, or immediately preceding it, not weeks before. However, the bail money thing is not a good look.
     
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    You don’t have to buy it. I’m not asking you believe in a Big Foot, these are things that were said. Also, she’s not paraphrasing anyone, those are her own words. And weeks before what? She said that the last week of June when rioting was actively occurring and as a direct reaction to those riots. Let’s not inconsistently apply a standard for what constitutes support and endorsement. If Trump has to, and should, own his rhetoric, then so does everyone else.

    Edit: June, not August.

    With that said, even if there is only 14 days left in his presidency, the 25th Amendment should be invoked and he should be removed from office just on principle.

    And lastly, American Airlines says they will no longer serve alcohol on flights en route to Washington D.C. Lawl.
     
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    They should try not sucking at being an airline. Using American Airlines drives you to drink, period.
     
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    Congress approved Biden’s nomination regardless, so all of that Divorced a man Energy yesterday that got people killed was for nothing.

    Donald Trump is DONE, and so is his worthless cult. Still want clout? Go form a religion like retards always do.

    Hopefully a lot of Capitol police will be fired for yesterday, what a bunch of fuck-ups. From opening up the barricades for rioters (which is on camera), to posing with photos with them, to letting them in the Capitol Building, they failed completely. I didn’t see anybody being hustled into vans, kettled or mass pepper sprayed. On the steps of fucking Congress.
     
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    Crown, I think you know as well as I do that NOTHING will happen to those cops.

    Hell, if anything, they'll probably give them more money.

    If any of y'all have ever wondered why I hold such contempt for law enforcement officers, that's a bit g reason why.
     
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    The Democrats will soon be in charge of both chambers. With that, they should clean house on the Capitol police, fire and publicly disgrace them—- and set a good example. It will also serve as a deterrent for idiots who think their political beliefs should trump the oath they swore.

    Edit: Oh good, things are being set into motion.
     
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    Personally, I don't blame the cops on the ground.

    They get shit on for being too brutal, so they tone it down, then they get shit on for not being brutal enough. When faced with vastly overwhelming numbers of neckbeards dressed like morons at a furry convention.

    Their intel sucked, and their senior management and strategists dropped the ball, big time.

    It was not the cops place to go in and shoot people to defend a building. They tried to maintain order in chaos, and I think, for the most part (other than the few morons that the MSM have picked up on), did a reasonable job.

    The REAL protective service, the Secret Service, has the mandate to protect the people under their charge, and eliminate threats, full stop. And they did that. And did it well.

    When the protesters got to the red line, they were warned, and they were shot. That chick, who was an Air Force puke, got shot because she was at the barrier that the SS had determined was the red line (FYI, red, yellow, and green lines are generally used to demarc various rules of engagement... if you cross the red line, you're dead).

    I wish I could find the video I just saw earlier... I'm sure it'll be EVERYWHERE in a couple of hours... but the protesters are at the blockaded door... there's an SS agent behind cover... the SS and cops are telling people to "step back"... they don't, and she's the first one to break the glass in the door and pull herself up into the window to go through the door. At that point, the SS agent steps out from behind cover, single shot into her neck, she falls, SS goes back behind cover, and then the cops that are in the stairs with the protesters come running up, see it was the SS that shot, acknowledge the SS and do not engage with them, then proceed to try and apply first aid to the stupid chick. Meanwhile she starts to bleed from her mouth and neck. The video then pans around and you see 20+ stupid MAGA neckbeards all with selfie-sticks filming her die.

    All while these protesters are chanting "down with Pence". Odds are it was his SS detail that shot her.

    Fucking morons.
     
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    So far all the videos I've seen have been pulled, but it's very graphic, but has an incredible view of the shooting.
     
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    https://news.sky.com/story/us-capit...hooting-of-fellow-congress-protester-12181122


    "We had stormed into the chambers inside and there was a young woman who rushed to the windows," he said.
    "A number of police and secret service were saying 'get back, get down, get out of the way'. She didn't heed the call and as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back they shot her in the neck and she fell back on me.
    "And she started to say 'it's fine, it's cool' and then she started kinda moving weird and blood was coming out of her mouth and neck and nose and I don't know if she's alive or dead any more."
    He added: "I'm not injured... it could have been me, but she went in first."​
     
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    We should lend them this guy. He knows how to handle Capitol threats.
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    Yeah, he was a bad ass against that one guy. Can't help but think it would have been similar results if it was with a few thousand.

    I want to believe that we would not have allowed it to happen in the first place, and we would have listened to and reacted to the intel and put appropriate force in place before it even happened.

    Much like what the US did for BLM. They just didn't do it for this, because Trump.
     
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    Barney Frank returns with a vengeance.
     
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    They were not exactly set up to succeed here, that much is true.

    The main issue will be the vast distinction between their response to this protest and others like it (ie, BLM, or pointing guns at the fucking teacher's union protest, or the women's march, etc.). These are legitimate domestic terrorists, perpetrating an act of terrorism on our government, and they were not treated as such. The protesters behaved like entitled Karens, and there should have been a very rude awakening when they transgressed, and it was too little too late. This double standard has to end now, and I'm hoping the DC police cleaning house will do that....sort of.

    There's a lot of technical failures being discussed on some EM and LEO forums right now, but the biggest one is the protesters were met with no corresponding force or escalation, and thus rolled right over the LEO's present. Some of the issues revolve around jurisdiction (ie, cops worrying about the SS folks treating a cop as a threat), chain of command (if Trump wants them there...), passing the buck/no one making the call to halt the protesters until it was too late, and really shitty coms/situational awareness (no one reporting they were bypassing barricades, they reported it after protesters were through). The National Capital Region has an EOC activated, and fuck knows what they were doing, but it's clear there were gaps in communication and long periods of radio silence waiting on an answer.

    DC has a state of emergency until the inauguration.

    Not sure what the morning will bring, but hopefully this shit is over.
     
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    I still call that a failure of management, not the boots on the ground.

    It's not the cop at the barricade's job to have the situational awareness to make that call and act accordingly... someone up higher in the food chain should have identified it and relayed the appropriate directives.

    And that is REALLY fucking hard to do when the President of the USA is saying "all good" to the point where he's not even activating the National Guard... Pence had to do it, even though he's not authorized.



    I guess what I'm saying is that yeah, it was handled like shit, full stop... but I have a hard time blaming the cops on the scene. I think the vast majority of them did a reasonable job of surviving the chaos without it becoming a bloodbath, which would have been really easy to do.

    I saw no weapons with the protesters, only flags, and numbers.

    That's a really hard scenario to read, never mind when you're in the thick of it.
     
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    My in laws were clutching pearls at the girl who got shot in the neck and killed because she was unarmed. It’s like, I know right?
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