Especially when they try to arrest unauthorized people like Bambi Flutternutt who came in the side door earlier, to Congressman Smith's office, and her defense is "I wasn't there for that, I was just there giving blowjobs under his desk!"
They’re gonna shank him on the way out the door. Better than nothing I guess. Also, I think the whole hedging your bets thing is real cute about whether a coup is a coup or not based on its lack of success. “Well, the capitol didn’t burn so you’re all just crying over nothing.” Fuck outta here. We have to watch politicians die and the capitol burn in order for it be sedition?
Saw this: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/mcconnell-is-said-to-be-pleased-about-impeachment-believing-it-will-be-easier-to-purge-trump-from-the-gop/ I don’t know how reliable that really is in terms of sources, as it cites “people familiar with his thinking” I think the main crux is that it seems nobody on Capitol Hill is gonna be defending Trump for the next week.
I agree with everything you said that I didn't paste in this post. I wanted to comment on this part of it, because there is - in my opinion - a link between the BLM riots* and this. The disaster that was last week, which was and is infinitely worse than most any of the BLM actions in the summer, was set up by the state and federal response to those earlier riots. That's why it was such an exquisitely bad and stupid idea for every single lawmaker, state legislator and police officer not to vehemently oppose any violent action during that time and why it was a terrible thing that they did not immediately quash the civil unrest. As an aside, while I agree with the message of the BLM protests, I can't get my mind around why destroying or looting a Target (or, worse, a locally owned small business) when your beef is with the state and its treatment of a particular group was a logical step. "The destruction of private property has long been a tool used to promote civil change," is a excuse I heard more than once on the news. That, and the uniform calls to defund police departments, fire police officers, and remove the laws that protect officers from being charged civilly for actions taken in the course of their regular duties. Doing all of THAT laid the ground work for the catastrophe that happened on January 6th. Either the message has to be that the law applies to everyone and is applied uniformly, or you can't clutch your pearls when the other side does the same thing and one-ups you while they're at it. Everyone involved in the Capitol Hill riots last week should be charged to the fullest extent of the law, including the president. However, in my opinion, everyone who looted and rioted in Portland or Seattle or Minneapolis should also be charged. *I'm referring exclusively to the 500-ish incidents of violent rioting, not the 10,000 or so peaceful protests that went down without incident.
If there's one thing I know about McConnell, is that he's a totally cold-hearted political calculator. If he thinks he can be rid of Trump now that he's served his purpose and do it cleanly, he'll slide the blade between Trump's ribs himself.
Planned how? Coordinated and communicated how? By whom? Kidnap who? Murder who? Hold the Capitol? Burn it down? Shoot it up? Do they have evidence of this? I did 5 minutes of google here but I hope you aren't referring to the picture of the one guy with flex cuffs? If that is the case who is he working with? Where are his comms? How was he going to exfil the area or hold it long enough to do something? Again, let's be realistic about the whole thing. These are morons. They aren't capable of planning what they are having for lunch today let alone taking and holding the Capitol then making the kind of political statement you are saying they are unless I am missing something here? Is there something else out there? If so, based on the Government/Social Media's ability to deal with this type of thing, how did it happen?
Oden - what are you suggesting? That January 6th was no big deal? That it wasn’t sedition? If it wasn’t, what is? It’s a fortunate thing the mob wasn’t helmed by a competent leader. If it was, congresspeople would be dead.
If you watched the news you’d see the joint announcement by the FBI and the US Attny saying “you’re going to be shocked at what we’ve found.” Things like plans to surround fed and state buildings to keep Dems out, Rules of Engagements on when to shoot, etc. You can’t in one breath say you haven’t been following this and then in the other say “I haven’t seen” as some sort of defense or rebuttal. Educate yourself or STFU.
So calls to defund the police six months ago as people watched police murder people on camera and as they watched police attack protesters and escalate disproportionally in a consistent and shitty manner are the reason why this time when people attacked the Capital Building the response was flaccid? Or was the flaccid police response for the same reason that when a 17 year old traveled across state lines to murder a couple of people he was sent home so his mommy could tuck him? The BLM protests were about exactly what happened Jan 6th. When a bunch of armed militias show up with their taticool gravy seal suk outfits and their blue lives matter flags and their swastikas they get handled with kid gloves. When an old guy shows up at a BLM protest he gets his head split open. Even when a dedicated law enforcement officer and tRump supporter gets his head caved in by a fire extinguisher the blue lives matter crowd are silent, the all lives matter crowd are silent and the police unions are silent. How can you think that people telling the police to do their jobs and to do them properly or face real consequences led to the impotent police response at a right wing insurrection when police responses have always been impotent when it comes to right wing protests.
Letting the mob rule set the precedent that the mob was in charge. And cutting police funding - as well as taking action to ensure that no one in their right mind would sign up to be a cop - contributes to a weakened, ineffective police force. If you seriously think that some rioting is okay while other rioting is not, we have nothing to talk about. By your logic, if the crowd had been wearing BLM t-shirts and chanting for Biden and police reform, their actions would have been understandable. The Capitol Hill mob was handled lightly because the sitting president of the United States (or someone acting directly on his behalf) ordered them to be under staffed and under prepared, thus contributing and implicitly supporting a coup d’état. Heads should roll for that. I can’t blame the understaffed on duty cops for being ineffective. Looking at the videos surfacing today, the true miracle is that only five people died. Again, following your logic, you’d like the police punished for their treatment of black people, you’d prefer their funding cut and you also want them to stand up to a raging armed mob that outnumbers them 100 to 1. Give me a fucking break.
And part of the problem is that there were some off-duty cops in the protest/insurrection, flashing their badges to the cops working the scene.
It’s coming to light how bad some of the plans and dangers are. I hope to god they can get through the inauguration smoothly and without violence.
Equivocating riots that were because one side was sick of the police were murdering minorites without consequence and literal sedition is asinine.
I...don’t know how to make you see that all rioting is bad and unacceptable, not just rioting when you disagree with the cause.
It depends on how broadly you apply it. The burning down of police precincts could be considered sedition as well. It all depends in how it is applied. Will they threaten some of these people with sedition? Sure they will; as a means to getting the to plead guilty to a lesser charge and avoid trials. That's usually how it goes. This behavior was a foregone conclusion no matter what. I don't know if you recall but most major metros were prepared for widespread violence right after the election to include Houses of Government; there was a not-so-subtle warning of what to expect if Trump won. Hell, we had to activate civil unrest action plans leading up to the election in major metros. None of this behavior should be surprising, it is where the discourse has devolved too. I find my countries' politics/media/government irredeemably broken, that is why I have generally disengaged. Media may be right, maybe this is headed toward a real civil war, who knows? I watched the press conference above. They are building conspiracy/sedition cases but already telling you this is going out into the future and going to be protracted. There are no specifics of anything in there to tell you that they have a basis for saying this was some kind of coordinated act.
Am I the only one that lives in a major American city? The mob never "ruled"; the mob was incorporated into the PD's cardio regimen by ensuring each officer beat the shit out of a protester for at least 30 min, three times a week, all summer long. People act like American cities were conquered or some such nonsense. Hilariously some of the worst looting we saw in my city was because the police focused all of their energies and attention on peaceful protesters, leaving the average criminals completely free to smash and grab in commercial districts away from the protests.