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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    People were talking about race in the 90s and 2000s too. It was a very different sort of conversation than people are having now, and in my opinion a lot more productive.

    The obsession with identity politics has gone from promoting equality to nonstop outrage whether something actually is about race/gender or isn't. The media is treating racial controversy more like entertainment and a tool to drive up ratings, and it's kind of fucked up.

    Since there's so many misguided accusations mixed with the noise it's become quite easy for people to fold their arms and say it's all bullshit. Interestingly enough, your lecture comes with stoking the fires of racism in a situation that doesn't actually appear to be about race. Maybe it's because he called Trump an illegitimate president and not because he's black? Is this what you call bending over backwards? You can be mad about people who ignore real racial problems, and I would say rightfully so,(although I question the left's ability to accurately describe what are the racial problems) but this is exactly the kind of shit that propagates that mindset.
     
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    Well, nowhere did I say, nor do I think, that he picked a fight with Lewis because he's black. That's just you continuing to hallucinate what you want to hear in my posts. But, all of that aside, I do find it really funny how very thin-skinned he is about people questioning his legitimacy after being one of the most prominent faces of the birther movement, and about SNL or people being "mean" to him in general after he built a talking head career trashing Obama for 8 years, and about people protesting when he himself called for a march on Washington in 2012. Is he really surprised? Did he really not realize this was part of the job, even if he wasn't going into office as the least popular president? He is the epitome of not being able to take what you dish out. If NOTHING ELSE that should qualify him as a little turd not worthy of respect.
     
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    I didn't hallucinate anything, that's all you wrote about with regards to the situation. Race, race, race. I mean, you just posted this. You rambled off on a series of a tangents that had nothing to do with what the argument was about. The gist of your post was very much "How dare he go after this guy..."

    And yes, calling the president-elect illegitimate because you personally don't like, or because of blame deflection for Hillary's loss is wrong. Trump's reaction to it probably isn't right either, but that doesn't excuse Lewis.

    He can act like a childish prick. So can the democrats skipping his inauguration because they refuse to acknowledge the will of the electorate. Yay for failed government.
     
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    "acknowledge the will of the electorate" what does that even mean? You think they're just throwing a tantrum, holding their breath until Trump goes away? Give them a little more credit.
     
  5. audreymonroe

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    Well, for whatever it's worth, my coworker knows my congresswoman personally, and she went to a confidential meeting about all the Russia stuff, came back, and told her that we should all be very scared and very angry and it was far worse than even she imagined, and now she's joining the group of people not going to the inauguration because she doesn't consider this presidency legitimate, but couldn't go into any detail whatsoever. Comforting!

    You know, I'm one of the people who understands why some things are confidential and not transparent, but it is starting to wig me out that all this stuff is being kept so behind closed doors so I can't decide for myself what to think. I'm tired of being stuck in the "I'm just going to wait and see" rut.
     
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    I wonder why they need to keep this stuff closed. Seems like its information the general public should absolutely have, especially since there is evidence that something exists.
     
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    The same type congress people who got the same type of briefs from the same agencies that put us in regime change mode in Iraq? The US Government has burned all it's goodwill and used up all of it's trust currency with me. Prove it or shut the fuck up already.
     
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    The one major complaint I have about Obama's presidency is that it has been the most closed-door and information restrictive that I know of. All of the hidden information, the Patriot Act type surveillance and gathering, the back-room deals (like the TPP) that were basically written by and for large corporations... it sucked.

    It was interesting to see on Meet The Press a couple weeks ago that the journalists generally like Trump more in that regard (aside from the shit-flinging with CNN) because he's much more open and sharing compared to Obama.
     
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    So, I didn't see the specific thing you're talking about so I'll keep an open mind, but what has he been more open and sharing about? Obviously not his tax returns. Obviously not all his great fantastic wonderful ideas and plans and policies that we're all just going to have to wait and see what they are. Obviously not all the best people he totally had lined up to be on his staff that he was talking about on his campaign. Probably not anything having to do with Russia. He's pretty much at war with the press and keeps them at bay as much as possible. He's been enjoying using reality show tactics of keeping everyone in suspense about what he's going to do and when. So what's left?
     
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    I think it might have been the old-school print journalists/editors of newspapers, where they were saying that Trump loves to talk to them and read stories about himself. They had the senior editors on there from a number of large newspapers who seemed to feel that while he hasn't come forward with some key information (like his taxes, etc), and they were still digging into things, he has made himself available to them more than Obama's administration has.
     
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    Don't have time to really look into it now but may also be more that his reps are pretty available. It came up during the Seth Meyers interview the other night that Kellyanne Conway is readily accessible.
     
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    Oh I see, yeah that's true. Elevating his celebrity image has always been, at least I think, the biggest draw for him anyway. Now if only he didn't want to silence every publication or media outlet that prints anything negative about him, we probably WOULD have a pretty transparent administration instead of a potentially dystopian one.
     
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    Let me get this straight: I'm supposed to be outraged that the Russians supposedly hacked Obama's political party and gave the information to Wikileaks, while he just commuted the sentence of the person who stole classified government information and gave it to Wikileaks?

    Am I missing something here?
     
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    It is nice to see the knots I've seen people tie themselves up in who hated manning and Wikileaks now supporting the underhanded transparency provided by Russia and Wikileaks. Now call out Obama for this.
     
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    Manning is a good step. Will Snowden receive a pardon now as he should?
     
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    No, from what I've heard he ran and evaded justice vs Manning admitted guilt and was tried and sentenced, him running is costing him a pardon.
     
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    This is the absolute best response to this news anyone could offer.
     
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    Who wouldn't in his case? He saw that Manning was sentenced to 35 years of solitary confinement!
     
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    I think, at least my understanding from the guys I talk to, that had Snowden not taken information to China/Russia, the IC would be more forgiving of him. As it sits now though, most of the guys I know consider what he did the basest betrayal. They don't begrudge the whistleblowing, but the foreign involvement sets their tempers flaring.
     
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    I don't blame him for running, the NYT article I read had a quote from a White House source that stated the reason he wouldn't be getting a pardon is because he ran.

    And if America really wanted him dead, he'd be dead by now, as it is I'd say that as long as Putin has his hand up Trumps ass he's safe.