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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. xrayvision

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    Republicans calling for evidence now. Just so rich.
     
  2. Nettdata

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    The SEAL is a self-admitted terrorist.

    Newbold, who served 24 years in the U.S. Navy and has said online that he trains civilians and police in tactical shooting, said he wanted to make lawmakers "think twice about what they're doing" and to be left "shaking in their shoes."​

    You know... that's the definition of terrorism. That is what he intended to do.

    "I am not a terrorist. I am not a traitor."​

    You most certainly are a terrorist.
     
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    It's just a parade of the most dishonest, cowardly, bad faith arguments I've ever seen. There's no such thing as a good Republican. If you're a Republican and not a complete piece of shit, get out of the party now.
     
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    Nah, that's bullshit.

    There are absolutely good Republicans. I just think that the leaders of the party have shifted it a bit, and it no longer represents the vast majority of good people that have a different view on things.

    People are too wrapped up in identity politics.

    I think you need calmer heads in charge, and a concerted effort to work together, without always being in it for yourself. Lawmakers are attaching bullshit riders to bills that should be a no-brainer and fucking everything up for the special interests they represent.

    Get money out of politics, stop perpetuating lies, and just be nicer to people... I think that would go a long way, for both parties.
     
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    This was my original point, way back when. If you’re ideologically on the right (small government, lower taxes, pro business, probably pro life and religious) where do you go and what do you do? The entire party is now vilified via its association with Trump. But if you aren’t for any of the policies on the left, what the fuck do you do?

    The narrative should give some kind of way forward for people on the right, because at this moment they can choose between following lunatics who share their ideology or violating their own leanings.
     
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    All of the decent Republicans I know in my personal life have already left the party. Maybe there are a few still hanging around in areas with a bit stronger of a Republican tradition, but the party is rotten to the core. There's no option but to leave it.
     
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    The Libertarian Party would love the votes, or you could give the Republicans the full-Whig treatment and create a brand new party with the express goal of taking all of the seats that are now held by Republicans.
     
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    I’m just waiting for the most basic of statements to indicate that the election was indeed on the level and not “stolen”. I think it would go a long way for them to admit they lost it legitimately. The whole reason everything right now is complete shit is because they spent two months perpetuating the myth that it was stolen and riling up the crazies. Now that they have created a monster too insane to corral, they are afraid to speak against it out of fear for themselves and their families.

    They made the mess and want the Dems to clean it up. Liz Cheney put out a strong statement yesterday, but after all the fuckery she allowed, it’s the absolute bare minimum she could do. They also need to expel a ton of their people if they don’t want to get hijacked by the morons forever.

    With the amount of damning information due to come out about possible inside people coordinating the attack, they would be better off cleaning house.
     
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    So I’m seeing that actual removal before the inauguration is probably not going to happen - basically McConnell won’t call the senate back early, but they can still convict after the term ends. Which sounds to me like it’s definitely a play to get him out of politics as much as possible.

    Question for those who know more:
    Can articles of impeachment be brought after a term ends? In this case, the House is voting during the term, but Senate will take it up after. Can both be brought after a term ends?
    Because, totally separate from current events, that could definitely make impeachment even more of a political strategy than it already is.
     
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    Because impeachment is a political process, and so rarely used, there isn't much precedent on it, and there are solid legal arguments for both yes and no to most questions related to impeachment. My inclination is that given "prohibition from holding future office" is a valid punishment that can be meted out by the impeachment process, that an individual cannot escape this consequence by resigning, and therefore impeachments can be conducted even after someone leaves office.
     
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    It would be an interesting case in the Supreme Court to see if the 14th Amendment can override Article II, Section I.
     
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    Every speaker who arises to oppose this impeachment increases the amount of time I will refuse to vote for a Republican by another decade.
     
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    If anything, I see this as the Dems doing republicans a favor. Giving them an opportunity to clear him out of any chance of running again. Fwiw, I think he will be in serious legal jeopardy upon leaving office disqualifying him anyhow. But this is an easy way for them to pivot. And the media would probably give them a pass if they voted to convict.
     
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    Ah, the Whig party. It whill be missed.
     
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    A great podcast by Sam Harris talking about the events on Capitol Hill. NSFW.

     
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    So anger heightens your vulnerability to misinformation, while simultaneously making you more certain of your memory (which is more likely to be inaccurate the angrier you are).

    Link: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-68424-004

    I think both sides have a bit of this happening.
     
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    You do what I do and vote for people, not parties like a mindless idiot. And those ideologies you mentioned haven’t really represented the Republican party for a long time now.
     
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    Am I misremembering Donald Trump claiming to have won the election for the last two months, or am I just so angry that I'm writing whole seasons of House of Cards fanfic?
     
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    Trump has been impeached. The threshold vote was just cast.
     
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    Tell us more about how both sides created this mess.

    This is just as rich as you thinking that BLM made January 6th possible.