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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. xrayvision

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    I’m not totally sure. The cops will probably beat and arrest a lot of people at various protests around the country.

    In the semi long term, it will mean that local and statewide elections are much more important for abortion access until and unless the balance of Supreme Court changes and they bring this decision back somehow to be reviewed.
     
  2. Nettdata

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    Me too.
     
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    I don’t think there’s anything legally stopping Congress from passing an abortion rights bill, if they can get out of their own way first. They should have done that anyway, but here we are.
     
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    The problem is that this is the culmination of so many legitimacy crises it's hard to know where to start. Minority rule blocks almost any avenue to addressing it.
     
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    And the poverty line in your red states are in for a wild eternity.

    There never was such thing as a separation of church and state. What a joke.

     
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    Josh Hawley just said that he hopes this court decision will help for a red state population realignment. If he somehow thinks red states will improve by the flight of left leaning people, he’s got another thing coming. They will become more red, but that also comes with worsening education rates, even worse healthcare outcomes, increased teenage pregnancy, and an uptick in infant and maternal mortality rates.
     
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    Protestant white men are the most impacted by abortion. Where’s your sympathy?
     
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    What constitutional provision would they tie this legislation to that this court wouldn’t shoot down when the new law was challenged? They’d have to pass a constitutional amendment to by pass the Supreme Court. Don’t think there is a way that would ever happen. Maybe just withhold tax funds for states that don’t comply like highway funds?
     
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    Who is doing what tying? I don’t think Congress is requiring to do that. SCOTUS overturned a previous SCOTUS ruling.
     
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    Things have gotten this bad because only certain segments of the population reliably vote. You wanna get rid of the religious nutjobs trying to turn the country into a theocracy? Don't waste your time protesting, get off your asses and vote in all future elections.

    This is going to usher in a new wave of back alley abortions regardless of what the religious right thinks. I hope they plaster those stories all over the news.
     
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    Bro, what the fuck?

    Can you provide like...sources for that?
     
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    Every law congress passes has to be tied to some provision of the constitution, otherwise it wouldnt be constitutional (I think Im remembering my high school civics correctly). If Congress wanted to codify it at a national level theyd have to find a provision that gave them authority to do so. Roe kind of found that authority in the 14th Amendment but thats been knocked down. Im not a political wonk and maybe there is something, like the Supremacy Clause like CLutch stated, or the Commerce Clause (which congress has used in some real head spinning gymnastics since the 40s), that even this supreme court wouldnt touch the legislatives branch's authority on. The only end run around SCOTUS entirely would be to pass a constitutional amendment.
     
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    I don’t think so. Any congressperson can draft a bill, get it sponsored and have it sent to committee. If it makes it through, it goes to the House floor. If passed, is then referred to the Senate. It then goes through a similar process and if passed there, goes to the President’s desk. The entire point of SCOTUS is to determine constitutionality if a case makes it up through the entire federal court system and they select it.
     
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    in the short term: destructive protests in red states. GOP is fucked in November, and anyone associated with this might as well go into hiding.

    In the long term, I think/hope it results in a SCT expansion and removal of lifetime appointments to allow it to be truly the apolitical entity it is supposed to be.
     
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    I’m not as sure about this tbh. Economic issues are still dominating peoples day to day lives. Call it “Biden’s gas prices” or whatever other bad faith gop attack like “Bidenflation” like Ted Cruz did. The party in power always gets blamed when kitchen table issues are hurting people.

    I know todays ruling deeply upset me. It’ll definitely make some women move to the left. I’m not sure this moved the needle enough to overtake $5 gas though.

    I guess what I’m saying is that with my own personal priorities, I don’t see myself ever looking at something like gas prices or inflation and thinking it’s enough for me to vote for a political party like the current GOP. Human rights and decency are more important to me. But I’m also well-off enough where gas prices don’t affect my life too meaningfully.
     
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    I only clicked on one link, the kff site, and it tells us that the rates of abortion are about even : 33% white and 38% black.

    This link tells me it’s more white https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014
     
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    We all knew it was happening but I’m still really fucking angry and sad and disappointed and disgusted.
     
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    I really hope that this is the thing that gets the US public back on track for a more reasonable government.

    I have to say, I look at the GOP agenda, and it sickens me. And yet so many seem to jump on board.

    It boggles my mind.
     
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    It’s wild. Democrats are like “maybe healthcare and education?” And republicans are like “FUCK YOU DON’T TAKE MY FREEDOMS BU MT ALSO LET ME TAKE YOURS” or at least that’s how it feels to me.

    Also there’s nothing like having a 60 hour labor and then hemorrhaging, having your blood pressure tank and then developing stroke level high blood pressure right after to drive home the fact that birth is a big fucking medical event that has a much higher mortality rate than abortion. Not to mention how much work it is to take care of the creatures once you take them home. Mine is pushing 13 months and has yet to sleep for more than 6 hours without waking up. Ever in his whole life.
     
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    I drove past the state capitol in Washington (Olympia), and at least part of the issue is the few hundred people protesting at 6 p.m. on a Friday are literally the least fuckable crowd this side of the Juggalo Shuffle.

    I am seeing a bunch of GOP folks deflecting, saying it's up to the states to determine. I don't see that flying very far.

    Nett, I hear you, but we said the same thing after January 6th. It didn't get better, it just got more effective.

    The other thing is this rage isn't going to be sustained til November. The economy will probably work itself out by fall, hopefully with the Russia situation over with. I think the key issues going into the midterms aren't quite defined yet, but the RvW decision, Jan. 6th, and the economy will all have a different shape by then. And if I"m honest, I think we'll have a good half dozen or so mass shootings between now and then, and a good solid motherfucker of a hurricane as well.

    I'm fucking tired of living through the shitty parts of history.