Adult Content Warning

This community may contain adult content that is not suitable for minors. By closing this dialog box or continuing to navigate this site, you certify that you are 18 years of age and consent to view adult content.

Finance Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ryrob, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    Buy the slump, gotcha!
     
  2. Rush-O-Matic

    Rush-O-Matic
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    1,363
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Messages:
    12,570
    It's on sale now! $205

    BUY BUY BUY
     
  3. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    And halted, at 213. Weee!
     
  4. Rush-O-Matic

    Rush-O-Matic
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    1,363
    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Messages:
    12,570
    Once it's halted, is it done for the day, or can trading resume later?
     
  5. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    It can resume... my understanding it's a temp failsafe so that if the stock drops a certain percentage it's halted in case it's a bunch of algorithms that fucked up and are going to crash things.

    Kind of a small cooling off window.

    That being said, it seems like what is going on is called a "short ladder attack" to try and drive the price down. Mission accomplished!
     
  6. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,450
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,953
    Location:
    Boston
    Holy shit, lol. This seems like Elon is getting ready to launch a competitor.
     
  7. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    It was kind of an interesting interview... because don't forget, Elon has a bit of an online finance background, having made all his money building PayPal.

    He was asking some pointed questions, and you could hear Vlad gulp and stammer before answering... and you could hear Elon chuckle. "Well, it was nothing if not entertaining... WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?"

    Vlad tried to further distance himself from Citadel, and Elon outright laughed.

    "Well, hold on... that group is an industry consortium, not government... so who actually is on that oversight group that told you to stop trading? Citadel?" "Yeah, I know nothing about that". lol
     
  8. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,450
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,953
    Location:
    Boston
    “One thing that might not be clear to people is that Robinhood is part of the financial system.”

    This guys is in way over his head.
     
  9. downndirty

    downndirty
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    500
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Messages:
    4,585
    I've noticed GME is way off the open, and the volume seems to be slowing.

    Also, I've noticed the rest of my portfolio (mostly ETF's & Index funds) seems to be doing poorly, based on...reasons? Internet mobs? Firms having to pull capital to cover? Shiggles?
     
  10. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
  11. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    OK, this whole silver thing is kind of confusing. I swear to God I knew nothing of what was going on yesterday when I started looking for silver....I just looked at the price and thought I might pick up a little and went looking for some. That's when I realized something was going on....it was really, really hard to find any. So I went digging and saw there was a run on physical silver and theories on why it was happening.

    I was able to pick up about 3lbs from 4 different sources. Over the weekend all the sellers got wiped out. I was able to pick up 10 more ounces today at $38, but I've seen 100oz bricks selling at $45 (I don't mean people are asking $45, I mean they sold for $45.) Silver sellers have nothing left. JM Bullion sold 260K Silver Eagles over the weekend and could've sold a bunch more (Sunday they sold $27M, usual Sunday is $1M) Now the sellers say it's going to be weeks to months to resupply,

    At the moment silver is sitting right at $29, but there's none available from the usual outlets. People are selling on e-bay for $38-45 and that's about the only outlet. That's what is confusing me, if there's none available (I've seen people in Europe complaining they can't find any physical silver also, so it's apparently a world wide thing), how can it be priced so far below what it's actually trading for?
     
  12. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    832
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,023
    It might be that taking physical delivery is hard and is adding to the cost. There was that time recently when oil briefly went negative because no one had the infrastructure to actually take delivery of the stuff that they were obligated to, so they literally paid people to take it. Maybe something similar at play shipping heavy metals around?
     
  13. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    I do know they dumped a billion paper ounces on the market today, which drove the price down a bit. From what I've read there isn't actually enough silver to back up all the paper shares floating around out there...how true that is, I have no idea, but supposedly that's one of the reasons for the run on physical.

    Did they ever put fail safes on the market after the Hunt brothers tried to corner the market back in 1980?
     
  14. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    It's a pump and dump by Citadel.

    Citadel is one of the big hedge funds that are being bankrupted by the whole Gamestop short fiasco, but they are like the number 5 ranked holder in silver.

    It is impossible to short Silver since 1980, when Silver Thursday happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday

    Again... THERE IS NO SILVER SHORT SQUEEZE. It's a pure pump-and-dump, old school.

    But, what Citadel is doing is engaging in full-on worldwide PR to tell the world and uninformed investor that "Reddit is off of this Gamestop thing, and they're now hitting Siver, so it's the next big hotness you should get into!" CNBC, CNN, MSM, everyone is reporting it... spam bots on twitter, reddit, facebook are saying it.

    So what happens? Everyone starts buying silver, and the price goes up. Citadel starts selling it, at a much high price than it would normally, so that it can then use the proceeds to cover the shorts it made on GME.

    They are rampantly manipulating the market to try and get themselves out of the Gamestop shit, using Silver, because that's what they have the most of.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-bet-exposes-rifts-in-the-wallstreetbets-army

    https://toofab.com/2021/02/01/reddit-claims-silver-squeeze-is-a-trap/
     
  15. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    Here's my understanding of what's going on: Citadel has SLV, which may or may not actually be backed up with physical silver. Only certain large entities can demand their silver from SLV. I've heard numbers ranging from 14 to 140 regarding the number of shares per actual ounce of silver they have. They are not emptying out vaults of silver into the market, they are dumping paper. One of the reasons I've heard for a run on silver is they're trying to force entities like SLV's hand that they don't actually have the silver to back up their paper. So, they are telling people specifically to not buy SLV, but to buy the actual silver. It sounds feasible.

    I don't think Citadel is getting anything from people buying up all the available physical silver, other then a price bump when they dump their paper.
     
  16. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    I just saw something I've never seen before: Usually when you sell silver you get spot -$1, I just saw a place paying spot + .45.

    They're also completely out of silver.

    A decent story on what's going on.
     
    #776 toytoy88, Feb 2, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2021
  17. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    Just to be clear, I don't believe that silver can be squeezed. However, I do believe there is some kind of manipulative fuckery going on.

    You cannot buy silver from a dealer right now and the dealers can't get any from their suppliers because they're bled dry also. What usually happens when demand far outstrips supply? The price goes up. Silver dropped $2 today, dealers are offering over spot to try and buy some themselves from the private market. That makes spot price look more like an MSRP than a traded commodity.

    I think the idiots that are saying it should be trading at $1K are living in a delusional fantasy world, but I also think that possibly it should once again be looked at who is pulling the strings on the silver market, because it looks shady as hell.
     
  18. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    Absolutely.
     
  19. Binary

    Binary
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    429
    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2009
    Messages:
    4,247
    Maybe. I rather wonder how much this is coordinated nefarious scheming by the media, and how much is just a more simple explanation: in a 24/7 news cycle where reporting first has a huge impact on the media outlet's engagement, it's far simpler and less risky to go report that the same Reddit board that caused GME and AMC to spike are now causing SLV to spike.

    I mean, it's way easier to just run to report what seems like a reasonable explanation -it's not exactly crazy to think that a social media mob that did one seemingly-irrational thing have now moved onto another seemingly-irrational thing. If they want to prove what Citadel is doing, they are going to have to engage in some decent investigation and gather enough evidence that they won't get sued for libel.
     
  20. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    2,983
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,467
    I have zero doubt that they're just reporting the news releases that are showing up in their in box... zero actual investigation or review.