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Finance Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ryrob, Oct 21, 2009.

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    My £20 investment in bitcoin is now worth around £200 which is nice.

    Sort of wishing I'd gone with £500 now.
     
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    any bests on what the Starlink IPO hype machine will rocket prices to?
     
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    All I know is that the major ISP's are fighting HARD against it, which must mean that it kicks the living shit out of them.

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Meet-Federal-Broadband-Capacity-Requirements

    "Oh look, a bunch of large fibre-based ISP's are saying that Starlink won't be able to do the job."

    SHOCKING.

    They are so much a Monopoly, and Starlink is one of the first options at REAL competition, it's not funny.

    If these numbers quoted in the email are legit, then oh HELL yeah that IPO will go huge.

    (Yeah, I joined the beta, and just paid the $800 for the hardware kit... I want in early to this so I can shake it down, and maybe strap it to the roof of my Airstream this summer).



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    I'd pony up for it in a second if I could take it traveling. At the moment, it appears that they use your physical location as an input to their satellite routing paths, so you could end up with no internet if you roam away from your home base and nobody near you needs a satellite.
     
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    I know that's what they say now, but I tend to think that is due to the sparse network they have up there right now.

    I'm cautiously optimistic, and tend to believe that they will get around to making it mobile at some point.

    I'm OK with that, and want to be in early to see how it works out.

    Can I use my Starlink for travel?
    Starlink is currently only intended and warranted for use at the Service Address listed on your account at the time the order was placed. Our teams are actively working to make it possible to use your Starlink away from your Service Address, but for now we can only offer service at the intended location. If you require additional assistance, please contact the Support team using "Add Request" on this page.
     
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    If there's interest, when the stuff shows up I'll spin up a thread and share my experiences and investigations with it. (Who am I kidding... as if I will wait for any interest).

    How does Starlink choose activate locations?
    Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell. Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you move your Starlink outside of its assigned cell, a satellite will not be scheduled to serve your Starlink and you will not receive internet. This is constrained by geometry and is not arbitrary geofencing.
     
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    Big Cable and Networks will most definitely lobby hard against this and surely the FCC will prevent it in the U.S. They don't want you streaming Hulu / CBS and not getting your local ad for Dewey Cheatham and Howe Attorneys or Big Larry's Jewel Mart.
     
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    Wow I just checked and my speeds are right around there. I’m on “fiber” but it’s still in the country with a small ISP so nowhere near what they get in densely populated areas.

    Regardless, never had a single issue despite seemingly everything in the damn house pulling off it.

    If that eventually becomes something you can travel with, sign me the fuck up!
     
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    It will be interesting to see how badly weather will affect the signal, which is partly why I'm happy I'll be getting it during the Winter/Spring... so I can hammer it during some snow and rain. I've also got some decent commercial network gear at home where I can set up multiple networks; one for Starlink, one for Rogers. It will automatically do hourly healthchecks, speed checks, etc, and maintain that data, so I can gather some pretty reasonable test results while it's going on.

    But yeah... for me, the dream is to be able to drag the Airstream to some far off lake in Northern Ontario or Manitoba, fish all day, then Netflix at night, especially if the weather is shit outside. Even better, if I have to be working, I could do any Zoom or other heavy Internet stuff I need... so 9-5 could be in the trailer, and the rest is enjoying the outdoors.

    As much as I like to get away from it all, I still like the idea of being able to inject quality Internet on my own terms.
     
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    I have no idea. Someone posted the link on a silver site and the information does seem to mesh with other things I've read, just a bit more in depth.
     
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    They tend to be a "the end is nigh" type of site. Sooner or later the market crashes I'm sure. But so far they've called 100 of the last 1 market crashes so to speak.
     
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    Yep, pretty much the same here.

    I need to work 8-5 - all I need is a decent internet connection for that. It doesn't have to be gigabit fiber, but it can't be some rural 3 Mbps DSL connection or a barely-there cellular signal. I'd love to stay in some of the cabins I've seen for rent, or to haul a small camper, so that I can be closer to the hiking trails. I would pay good money to just eliminate the uncertainty of internet connections - not having to worry about what I'm getting when I book stays would be huge.
     
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    That is the problem with all satellite connections, i dont know how they would even fix that. You are still going up to space and back.
     
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    They are looking at latency that is sub 20ms for Starlink by this summer. This is not the same shitty satellite service from days gone by.
     
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    Space is a lot closer than most people think. You're probably closer to space than you are to the next state over. Starlink is trying to cut down latency by orbiting at a lower altitude than any other satellite internet service.
     
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    Yep... which is why I bought in early.

    And let's not forget that the biggest cause of latency is source routing. There's a reason a request from Vancouver, BC to Seattle, WA, goes through Toronto and New York on a number of ISP's... source routing and peering contracts. Least Cost Routing, which is sometimes the total opposite of Fastest Routing. Think of it like the 12 stop milk run flight that takes 14 hours but is stupid cheap as opposed to the non-stop flight that is twice the price but you get there in 2 hours. Internet packets are prone to the same kind of thing.
     
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    In case I wasn't clear on what Source Routing is...

    ISPs own data lines (fibre, etc), and lease them to other ISPs as needed. It's cheaper for an ISP to keep traffic on their own lines (for free) vs crossing over and using other ISPs lines. Think of them like toll roads. Peering contracts are crazy complicated, so it might be that traffic crossing over at the NY nexus is cheaper than sending it elsewhere, so that request from Van to Seattle has business/revenue related rules on how it gets there... Least Cost Routing... as in, if I take this route through NY, it's cheaper to do than paying the really high toll to cross closer.