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Game of Thrones

Discussion in 'TV Shows' started by Aetius, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    Because he's quite a bit a ways off from rebuilding his army to try and mount another attack. Outside some dark magic from the red priestess he's not going to have skin in the game for a while. For all intents and purposes this active war is at an end. It seems as far off as Dani's return to westeros at this point.
     
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    Although it seems like some of that dark magic may have just worked in pretty dramatic fashion. And I can't remember if it was in the show, but in the books, right before the wedding
    Robb learns that Balon Greyjoy has fallen off a bridge of Pyke and died. So 2 of the leeches have worked so far - seems like a bit of a stretch to call that coincidence.
     
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    I haven't seen the episode, but I read they changed Roose Bolton's line from "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." to "The Lannisters send their regards." Which undercuts the fact all of this was set in motion by Cat trying to do the right thing and it fucking over the remaining Starks and the Jaime Lannister redemption story. I'm sure they'll make up for this and that they didn't want to confuse the silly TV watchers.
     
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    Jorah best step his game up, before Dario drops the phat love songs on Dani.
     
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    Since Catelyn had her own view point in the books it was a lot clearer how her actions negatively effected the people around her. Outside of her few instances of poor decision making that were huge parts of the books/series, mainly taking Tyrion prisoner and eventually letting Jamie go. She was never a favorite character of mine. Too much whining and praying that the seven gods would save her and her children. But Brienne is out another person she swore to defend.


    I might have missed it but why is Bran dead set on going beyond the wall? I thought his main goal was to find Jon and they had to go beyond originally because they had seen him in the dream beyond the wall with wildlings. Now that he knows he is close by why still steam for the wildness of the North? Is it the only place he can master his worg abilities or something?
     
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    Someone said it above, I mentioned it on another forum, but the whole thing with Roose was awesome. First he mentions that Frey, who is known for being a prickly (wait for it) prick, gave him a huge dowry and a wife of his choice. Now part of this is due to the books, in which there are rumors about Roose which aren't in the show, but that should have been a warning sign. Anyway, the whole scene with Roose and Cat was awesome. The actors did an amazing job of conveying that unspoken conversation, and Roose's "I don't give a FUCK" attitude was chilling.

    As for Bran, it's not explained as well in the show, but in the books Jojen is much more convincing about the importance of Bran's abilities. He's outright obsessive about getting Bran to this place, because he is firmly convinced that Bran is the key to everything. Keep in mind, everything he's said has been backed up, and having a talent that is as rare as living dragons is also drawing Bran.

    And I have to bring up the Talisa stabbing again, because holy shit. Now that I think about it, it cleans some questions up and lets them shock the people who knew about the Red Wedding, but I don't think I've ever been so shocked by anything I've seen on a screen. I could come across horse-clown-puppy-Roseanne Barr Aristocrats-style porn and find it easier to stomach.
     
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    You think you're upset? These people are WAY more upset than you are. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/78625/still-grieving-over-last-nights-game-of-thrones-theres-a-twitter-account-for-that" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... t-for-that</a>
     
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    Slate just posted a delightful little reaction video. People are so sad <a class="postlink" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/06/03/game_of_thrones_red_wedding_upsets_fans_to_the_rains_of_castamere.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... amere.html</a>
     
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    Is it weird that I constantly think Lord Bolton looks like an older Daniel Craig?

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    Have to give the showrunners credit, sticking to the plot and axing so many fan favorites at once. There is a "brand loyalty" of sorts, probably half the reason why there's so much outrage at the moment. Wonder how they will replace so many characters and story arcs.
     
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    Yeah they moved some of the stuff about Bolton from 2nd book to to the 3rd season. I haven't read the 3rd book but there were big warning signs and mistrust for them in the 2nd book.

    Ill spoiler it but I think everything has been covered up until last night I think:

    They were hesitant to send Roose's bastard to capture Winterfell back from Theon (who actually captures him instead of his men giving him up). It is more directly implied that Bolton's Bastard was the one who burnt down Winterfell. I think Ned and the Stark's had been uneasy about the Boltons because they were known for their history of torture exemplified in their sigil of the flayed man.
     
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    Im going to say that's obviously Bolton's son torturing Theon. He's tied to the flaying "X" that's the House Bolton symbol that was on Robb's battle map last episode (and the little shit son had a flaying/castrating knife). So they've been playing the long con on the Starks since the start of season 2. What's his kid's name again? Ramsey? He was supposed to catch Theon last season, NOW I understand how Winterfell burned down. They never really told you who lit the match last season and it just seemed like an irritatingly large plot hole.

    I have a question for the book people: That eating of the bread they did before the wedding, doesn't that put you under the house's protection or something? And with Tywin quarterbacking the wedding massacre, that means they (Tywin and Frey) both violated it. Or does that even matter? They seemed to really make a strong point of that in the episode, I don't know if it has meaning or not.

    I want to see Jaime's return to King's Landing as well. If anything, I hope his experiences and humbling will make him go nuts on his shitbag sister and mutant hillbilly son.
     
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    Just quoting this from a GoT wiki, sums it up perfectly:

     
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    So...it's not a nice thing to do then. Frowned upon. Sounds like it's almost as bad as having parents who aren't married... but not quite.
     
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    I'd say more than frowned upon. The way the books described it, I was under the impression that breaking such ancient laws was up there with being a Kingslayer or Kinslayer in the list of "things not to do"
     
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    Kin/Kingslayer is a socially acceptable recreational activity compared to breaking guest right, at least by my understanding of it.
     
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    Either way, both are massive no-nos.

    I'll just leave this here:

    <a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears</a>
     
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    It is a huuuuuge fucking deal. This is one of those rules that needs to hold fast in a medieval society, or everything breaks down. Truces and oaths are important, because what else do they have? You can see Frey try to justify it, saying Robb broke an oath in the same hall he was cut down in, but everyone knows that the oath Frey broke was far and away the worse one, because in medieval society, you're really just trying to avoid dying at every turn.

    Hospitality laws are sacred. Frey may as well have set fire to a heart tree or a temple and laughed the whole time. And while Tywin was technically behind the whole thing, you'd never catch a man like that dirtying his hands in that way. It's just too far beyond dishonorable, an action reserved for the worst of the worst, and definitely not worthy of a house like the Lannisters.

    Basically, Frey sold his soul and will be going to hell whenever he kicks the bucket.

    In other news, did anyone think those throat-slashings were hilariously terrible? I couldn't stop thinking of this:

     
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    This is spot-on from my reading of the books - breaking the guest right is a way bigger deal than even kinslaying. It's also important to note that this means the Freys have basically forfeited their guest right in the future - especially in the North, other houses won't really blink or think twice about the refusal or revocation of guest right to visiting Freys. Which totally sucks for them.

    And Tywin (and even Roose) avoid the guest right issue because it wasn't actually their house, the Starks weren't their guests, and they didn't actually make any promises of safety to the visitors. I don't know if this is beyond the scope of this particular thread and I'm sorry if it is, but Tywin didn't even really mastermind the whole thing - Walder Frey really, really, really wanted to kill Robb for dishonoring him and stealing (to his mind) supplies, soldiers, and passage from him, and Tywin basically just promised him protection from the North for carrying out the act. Roose will have his own issues of oathbreaking and betraying and murdering his sworn liege, but as far as guest right is concerned they're both in the clear.

    And as far as the throat-slitting, it was nowhere near as brutal as I actually expected - the book describes Catelyn as practically sawing a halfwit's head off. The show was comparatively clean and painless, but I guess they figured the wombstabbing was enough over-the-top brutality for one episode.
     
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    You're fucking welcome.

     
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