The fact that in spite of all this crisis the NRA is going bankrupt should speak to just how corrupt the organization was. If ever there was a favorable zeitgeist...
On top of that the incoming president's gun plan has banning online gun and ammo sales. A much more realistic law to sneak through congress than an AWB. There is a real chance that can happen. If they repeal the lawful commerce in arms act as well, they can kill the whole industry without banning a single gun. The gun market is going to get very very fucked for a while.
Dems could twist the knife in the republican party if they just came out and said, "No more gun legislation, new laws aren't going to get guns out of criminal's hands." It won't, you know? I think law abiding citizens have an appropriate amount of hoops to jump through to buy a new gun. I rarely buy used guns, so legislating those purchases further wouldn't affect me much.
Hopefully not to make this thread into a political one... But the Dems always come up with highly restrictive ideas with no real way to implement without extreme encroachment on civil liberties. I honestly feel they should drop their gun shit that affects day-to-day consumers and spend more time to going after corporate bad actors.
Appropriate right now: EDIT: Biden's gun plan, straight from the horse's mouth. Notice how it addresses criminal punishment regarding people who commit violent gun crimes.
I saw nothing wrong with that plan... seems fairly reasonable to me. The only one that I wasn't sure about was the limit of "one gun per month" on purchases in some weird attempt to stop hoarding. Of course, define "assault weapon".
Kind of agree with you. I would like to see a definition of an "assault weapon." If that means AR-15, which I love and frequently use for hunting, then I disagree with that. I'm cool no high capacity magazines, though I would like that to be defined as well. I rarely load my mags beyond 10 when I'm hunting and 20 when I'm practicing/target shooting for weight purposes. I have a ton of 20 round mags, and a few 30 rounders. Handguns I again keep at 10 due to weigh, unless I'm carrying OWB while hunting then I fill them up, usually 15 is the limit. Mountain lion and bobcat country, I don't wanna fuck with those kitties. Define "gun parts." Does no online sale of them mean I can't buy a new set of iron sights or a scope or something online? If so, go fuck yourself. I do think all ammo and gun sales should be in person, with a background check proceeding them (all online sales have to go through an FFL anyway, but I wish that was more regulated than just bubba who got himself an FFL and transfers it for $30 -- like, an actual gun store is where it needs to be). Fuck red flag laws. Everything else, great. I'd also like to see a requirement for continuing education hours for those who own guns (so like get a license, and you can have that license revoked if you don't complete your hours). They require it of lawyers, teachers, healthcare workers and many other professions. I see no reason why it shouldn't, and couldn't be applied here.
My biggest problem with Biden's plan is it does absolutely nothing to address the people actually committing gun crimes. It just creates more hoops for law abiding gun owners to jump through. There was a bit about creating programs to council "At risk" individuals, but that's it. And it's been tried over and over again with negligible results. (Fun fact: If you click the "Proven Strategies" link on Biden's page it's 404'd.) I agree we do need to keep guns out of the hands of the lunatic fringe that does mass shootings in schools, stores, nightclubs, parks, etc... However, we also need to do something about the inner city violence that makes up a huge part of our gun issue and none of the ideas I saw put forth in that plan does anything at all to address that. As far as ending online parts sales, certainly end sales of uppers and lowers...no problem. But all parts? Grips, sights, slings, lights? That's not addressing gun violence one bit, that's just doing something to do something.
He does say that he will empower the CDC etc to try and figure out a plan. I don’t think he has an answer to the problem, but will fund research into a solution. That’s more than others have done towards that.
The horse has left the stable on inner city gun violence in large part because the NRA and gun lobbies refused any legislation that would keep guns out of the hands of criminals. guns don’t magically appear in the inner city, and our current system is in large part to blame. Controls such as: Requiring all 50 states to have strict controls on who can buy a gun, including background checks. For example, Until relatively recently anyone could walk into a gun show in Virginia and buy whatever they wanted regardless of their background Increase penalties on those who illegally sell guns, and/or restrict who can sell a gun. There is plenty of squawking here among my gun owning friends about how they can’t offload guns they’ve wasted their money on to whomever they want whenever they want Punish gun owners who don’t properly secure their guns, facilitating their theft. Don’t bother with the “so if someone steals my car I’m responsible if they kill someone?” argument. You should be able to see the difference between guns and cars in terms of hazard and functionality. There has been lots of talk about high tech solutions (coding guns to their owners fingerprints, DNA, etc) but lets face it, those options are a long way off. What about increased penalties for crimes committed with guns, you might ask? Yes. Absolutely, I’m all for that. But keep in mind it’s been done already, and I’m not sure how much of a deterrent that’s been. In summary- it makes far more sense to keep guns out of the hands of criminals to begin with than try to deal with the consequences once guns are in the streets. And the gun culture in this country makes it difficult to do that.
Well guys, I hate to say it, but this is the kind of shit we have to look forward to for getting Trump out of office. That's how shitty the choices are, that's how bad the parties have gotten. 1) Keep a blatantly corrupt con man in charge, who appointed a bunch of equally corrupt lackeys to bleed this country dry, or 2) Kiss your gun rights goodbye, subsidize corrupt countries to lie about carbon output, and subsidize the corrupt WHO. All while never getting universal healthcare, or getting big-money out of politics (because let's be honest with ourselves: Congress is NEVER going to vote to get big money out of politics. Prove me wrong, people. Prove me wrong.)
I'd be behind that 100%. I just don't like proposing legislation or enacting EOs willy nilly that most certainly won't address the actual problem. I saw a bill proposed in Washington state in the past few days that was horrifying in the broad strokes it defined "Assault weapon" and I don't want to see something like that enacted on a nationwide scale.
I have absolutely no problem with any of those. But what is being proposed is much more sweeping to the point that it's just doing something for the sake of doing something.
He calls it out right in his plan... funding scientific research to find a solution. The same research that the NRA lobbied against for years. I guess them going bankrupt is a good thing.
I actually quit the NRA a few years back because they opposed a TN bill to hold owners accountable if a kid gets a hold of their gun. Some 10 year old got mad at a 7 year old because she wouldn't let him play with her puppy. So he grabbed daddy's gun and killed her. The NRA opposing that bill was the last step for me.
Yeah, they were a good thing in the beginning and just slowly degraded over time, in my opinion. As they became more and more powerful, more and more of a lobbying force, there was more and more money in it for the leadership. Go figure it eventually spiralled. Hell, as a Canadian I remember having a membership back in the 80's because it was great, relatively free, insurance coverage when I was doing handgun competitions down in the States.
Son. Of. A. Bitch. I spent $200 on inflated panic priced high speed 12 ga so I could break in my VR80. I went to my storage today and I already had 2 cases of Winchester 1400 fps. How the hell did I forget about 2 fucking cases?
How close are you to turning 60? I just found 2 cases of unopened TDK SA90 cassette tape. I am not even sure they make that stuff anymore.