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Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ILikePie, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. archer

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    I'm looking at getting into long-range target shooting, i've been down to the range a few times now with the local rifle club and really enjoyed myself using their club guns but i really want to get my own.

    So i'm looking for some advice on a good .308 single shot or repeating centre fire rifle. While target shooting is what it will mostly be used for i'm also keen to get into hunting so ideally looking for a rifle that is good for both.

    Ive spoken to the guys at the club about this but lets just say this isn't really a young persons sport/hobby in this neck of the woods and they pretty much all buy second hand as they are on fixed incomes (pensions).

    Ive had a look at the Tikka T3 rifles and the Sporter looks pretty nice: http://www.tikka.fi/t3models.php?sporter

    Anyone have any experience with the Tikka rifles? Or any other suggestions?
     
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    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html</a>

    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.benchrest.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.benchrest.com/</a>

    Both offer an incredible wealth of information all about the questions you want answered.
     
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    I started a project awhile ago and finally finished up the detailed shaping work on an ebony diamond I inletted into a stock by hand and am using as the base for a swivel stud. The next challenge will be finishing the stock without disturbing the shape.

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  4. Bourbondownthehouse

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    The fact that the Glock is well made apparently makes it more of a killing machine than any other handgun.
     
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    My Suhl is a killing machine because it's trigger is one of the most sophisticated and effective designed and it can shoot 50 yard groups that can be covered with a .40 cal shell. Too bad it's made strictly for shooting paper.

    I hunt and have taken a pile of game so I'm a serious threat to everyone around me.

    Rosie O'Donnel's extra-large spoon (a converted garden trowel, actually), helped her shovel rocky-road ice cream faster than any others down her gullet with obvious results.

    It's like the Remington 700 trigger shit CNBC spewed earlier this fall when they thought they uncovered a flaw in the design that rendered the rifles dangerous. Turns out the stories they used were full of shit and Remington couldn't even replicate the alleged events. For that matter, any trigger that is poorly modified or maintained can be unreliable. Great journalism, CNBC.

    What bullshit.
     
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    Best line, "It has a 33 clip magazine"
     
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    I thought the "someone trained in using that weapon could do it(empty it) in four seconds." was the better line.
     
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    No kidding. That beats Jerry Miculek.

     
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    Apparently they have the glock 19 confused with the far more awesome yet less practical 18.
     
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    Not to take away the attention from those brain dead douche bags on TV, but I have a question regarding the proper holster for concealed carry. I'm 5'8" and roughly 135lbs (why do you think I got the gun?) and recently purchased a Glock 26. I know I'm set with the Glock because I can now empty 33 clips in under 4 seconds and eliminate any threat, even in a situation where I'd have to shoot through a school, but I now need the proper holster to conceal this immensely deadly weapon. Considering my build and the hot weather I live in, I plan on carrying IWB. I've done a bit of research, and have really been leaning toward this: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/product_info.php?cPath=82_85_92&products_id=1561" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ravenconcealmentsystems.com/ ... ts_id=1561</a>

    Judging from the feedback of Magpul guys and just about everyone on the internet that owns one, this seems to be one the most favored kydex holsters on the market. They even allow custom orders so I can fit the trigger guard mounted Crimson Trace. Does anyone have any experience with this particular holster, or kydex holsters in general? Being a special order that takes 3-4 months to receive (perfect for me, since I don't turn 21 until April), I'd have no way in testing it out to see if it's for me. This holster is just one option out of far too many, and so I am here for help. Any input at all regarding holsters would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    If you are 5'8" 135, you ain't concealing a Glock 26 IWB unless you are wearing a jacket.

    A few things:

    a) Kydex sucks against the skin. If you are going to carry IWB, you're going to want something leather. As you wear it, it will break in and after a while will be fairly comfortable. There are a lot of options out there, which are all about the same. I wear a Galco.

    b) Unless you already own the Crimson Trace, save your money and spent it on ammo for the range. I put a Crimson Trace grip on my work gun and NEVER used it once the cards were down (training or otherwise). If you are in a position to shoot to kill, you aren't going to remember to squeeze enough to turn it on. If you train enough to remember to turn it on, you don't need it and becomes redundant.

    Your best bet considering your build is carrying IWB in the small of your back, which is a pretty useless position for any sort of drawing. And you have to remove the gun when you drive, unless you just like pain. Honestly, for most super skinny guys in hot weather I recommend a super small gun, like a Kahr or Keltec. I carry one in the summer and it is great.
     
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    Any Glock shooters here actually use those wanky ass long 30 round clips? I always laughed when I saw them at gun shows figuring it would just be dipshits burning holes in their pockets. Are they used in shooting competitions?


    I hate being part of the problem, ie panic buying and giving a reason for unsavory people to price gouge, but my brother and I bought a shit ton of Magpul 30 round clips for our Ar15s as to head off a possible ban.
     
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    FYI there have been several reports of this actually being unofficially confirmed and Remington settling with several families in court. It was also a reason Remington has (or had) a program where you could send in your rifle and they would fuck with the trigger.
     
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    Yes, I am aware of the $20 bolt lock fix and Mike Walker's solution to his trigger way back when. I don't mean to seem like I'm a spokesperson for Remington, but I'd bet more than a few tragedies are due to either A. poor gun handling or B. someone fucking with the trigger. Either way, Remington makes some damned fine guns and they own a few other companies that make damned fine guns too (Marlin, for example), and I don't want to see them in trouble. They aren't perfect, but they make me money, so I want people to keep buying them.

    It's trigger issues like this that are the reason for almost every factory rifle out there having an awful "lawyer-proof" trigger that has a high trigger pull weight and a lot of creep... two reasons to either fuck with your trigger or buy a custom one.

    On a more fun topic, check this thing out!



    I am typically an oiled walnut and blued steel person, but hot damn that is a slick gun! Twin 7-round mags with a bullpup design? Genius. May the Lord have mercy on anyone whom that thing is pointed at. You could have over a pound of lead loaded up and ready to fly at one time. I'm just waiting for a semi-automatic copy now.
     
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    Looking for a pistol recommendation from the experts here. About what I'm looking for:

    - Home defense. Yes, I know shotguns are about 100x better for this, but my wife doesn't want me to keep a loaded one next to the bed. A pistol, however, she is ok with.

    - Small caliber. My wife doesn't like shooting guns, but she will be shooting this one. She will need to be accurate with it, and for some reason I just can see her handling a .357. If it's over a .22, it'll work.

    - I'd prefer not to go above $400, but will if there is something of enough quality to justify it.

    - Eventually, I'd like to get a concealed carry license, and if I did it would be with this firearm.

    - No revolvers.

    - Larger the clip, the better. Yes, I know I can always buy an extended clip, but I don't want one of those little 2-shot shits.

    - The smaller, physically in size, the better.
     
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    The right 9mm pistol will meet just about all of your requirements. The ammo is relatively cheap which will allow you to practice more. Your typical magazine for a 9mm pistol will hold at least 10 rounds, sometimes more. You can find a number of compact and subcompact models that are concealable.

    Depending on your wife, I would probably recommend against a subcompact model because the lighter gun will have more recoil. Depending on your size and what kind of clothes you wear, a compact can generally be concealed without too much trouble.

    Check out Glocks; the 19 is their 9mm compact. You can find 3rd generation models at a pretty good price since the 4th generation has come out and you don't miss out on too much getting the older one. Also look at Springfield's XD; I like those a lot.

    Just about all of the major manufacturers make a compact 9mm so the best thing to do is go to a range that rents guns and try out a bunch of different ones and see what you like then find reviews online to make sure you pick one that's reliable.
     
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    This is kind of like going to a car dealership and telling the dealer that you're looking for a car that can serve as a daily commuter 90% of the time, so you're going to need 30 mpg. or better. You and your family of six are going to need it to go on vacation twice a year, so it's going to need to seat at least six and their luggage. You like to hunt, so it's going to need four wheel drive. You also want something that you could take to a racetrack every now and then. You have a short garage and your neighborhood is deed-restricted, so a full sized pickup or SUV is out of the question. You don't want a Subaru. Also, you're going to need something that can pull a boat. Your budget is around $20,000.

    In other words, you're asking for a lot out of a first handgun.

    If you're looking for a defense weapon, you and your wife are going to need to know how to shoot comfortably and accurately. You're also going to need to be very comfortable with the pistol's function. Do you think your wife could clear a jam? Could you or your wife could do it in the dark, with a stranger in the house? For beginning shooters, this is a tall order for a compact semi-auto. By nature, lightweight, short action handguns in man-stopping calibers are not easy to shoot accurately and the recoil is going to be sharp.

    For example, my girlfriend and I went to the range and rented an aluminum-framed 9 mm 1911 variant for her and I shot my all steel 1911 chambered in .45 acp. The girlfriend developed a significant flinch inside of three magazines with the 9 mm. I shot the 9 mm and the recoil was significantly more noticeable than the recoil of my .45. I handed her the .45 and she commented that it was a much more pleasant gun to shoot.

    I my opinion, your best option is a Ruger .22/45 and a couple of videos on stance, grip, hand placement, and sight focus. Better yet, most full service ranges offer beginning, intermediate, and advanced handgun courses including handgun rental. You need to crawl before you can walk and a couple thousand .22 rounds are going to cost as much as a few hundred rounds in a larger caliber. Everything is based on technique and practice. If you find that you and your wife enjoy shooting, the .22 rimfire is an excellent tool for focusing on technique without the discomfort or expense of a full sized pistol.

    If you're dead-set on a larger caliber pistol, the Springfield 1911 GI model is going to fall pretty close to your price point.

    I also wouldn't rule out a steel framed Smith and Wesson revolver.
     
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    And you know, for whatever reason, I guess I didn't remember that smaller gun = larger recoil. I'm used to shotguns and rifles, where the larger, physically, the firearm, the stronger the recoil and the harder to shoot. I've shot a lot of different pistols (though fuck me if I can remember the different names/models), and am comfortable with basically any caliber. However, I'm not at all familiar with the pros and cons of different calibers and styles.

    So I guess to clarify, then, any size is ok. The recoil (let's keep it comfortable-ish) and the price point (reasonable-ish) are the big things I'm looking at. The recoil was really the biggest thing, and like I said above, I realize now that the smaller the gun, the worse it's gonna be. I guess what I'm asking is, is there a specific type of pistol I should be looking for that shoots significantly different/more comfortable? Like for example, with shotguns, a semi-auto uses the gas from the blowback to reload another shell, this reducing the recoil; a pump is going to fuck up your accuracy because of the pump motion but it's reliable like crazy; a double-barrel is going to be very accurate because both shells are already in the chamber, but you only have two shells. Is there an equivilant for pistols?
     
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    I'm looking to buy a new rifle in a few months, just for taking out to the range every now and then. I'd like a center-fire lever-action that uses a rifle round, and I had my eye on a Marlin (no particular model). I've got nothing against semi-autos but the good ones are way out of my price range, and I don't think I'd get much use out of a bolt-action since I don't hunt.

    Basically, does anybody here own a lever-action that they swear by? Are there any quirks I should be aware of? I've never even held one, so any info is welcome.