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Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ILikePie, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. LatinGroove

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    Those are fine guns indeed. That will actually be one of my safe queens when I eventually get money to buy guns again. Mine will be a Gold Cup National Match in brushed stainless series 80. Great find at that price.
     
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    I'll third this... the finest handgun I've shot was a Colt Gold Cup Mark IV (series 70) and I would love to have one of my own. You got a great deal on that one.

    I just got a little update from the guy who is helping me with finishing this stock, and man do I like what I see:

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    I can't wait to checker that stock.
     
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    Don't know how many of y'all have an AR-15 (or AR variant) but a Gisselle SSA-E trigger is a wonderful upgrade. I installed one in my M&P 10 and while I have not been to the range yet, I can tell by dry firing it, that it is worth the money. I thought my Savage varmint accu-trigger was smooth but it is a factory Remington trigger compared to the Gisselle.
     
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    http://www.mibullet.com/

    I've just been watching an entertainment style documentary (7 deadly sins, wrath episode) that mentioned these things. They looking fucking terrifying in the description on the show and the vendor's bumf. Has anyone actually fired these things or looked at hits from these rounds? Are they as ridiculous as they sound?

    The short version of what the bumf and the show said is that it's a die cast and hand assembled round that fragments and splits out to create an area impact that certainly fucking shreds paper targets and looks to be pretty nasty in ballistic media / tissue. In addition to being a spinning spread of shot that hits a wider area to make aiming less of a problem... they apparently create a nastier wound path to make removal of the round or successful aid after a hit more difficult.

    I'm biased by living in the land of gun control - but my first thought looking at these is that accidental injuries are a lot more likely to be accidental deaths if these things work as advertised. But I'm really wondering if they actually work well enough to justify the expense - apparently they're hand assembled at about 50 rounds an hour.
     
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    Lethal. Starts at $135 for 30 rounds. 45ACP

    I haven't actually shot any, the price is a bit high for my blood, a guy at the range shot a few rounds through a milk jug and it fucked that jug up. If you have a handgun loaded in the home for defense I could see having it loaded with these.

    I'll stick to hollow points.

    Shotgun rounds look promising




    Buckshot for defense isn't actually the greatest, the spread is much smaller than people like to think it is.

     
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  6. Revengeofthenerds

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    Reminds me of the Varmint Grenade:

     
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    These are a reinvention of bolo rounds. I'm highly skeptical of any bullet manufacturer with lots of new terminology yet not a single article of real ballistic testing- just computer graphics and Youtube videos (unless I missed something). The results on paper are interesting but I want to know what happens when those bullets are tested on something solid. I'm guessing there's a reason we see them in entertainment documentaries and not real gun industry publications?

    This is true, and interestingly their shotgun rounds require usage of a rifled choke tube too. Their test range looks to be about 10-15 yards, so I'm also curious at what distance that slug really opens up.

    Here's a recent project of mine, a reproduction of a Ruger 10/22 fingergroove pattern stock from the late 60s. A few months ago I chopped up a big board of curly cherry wood, glued it back together, and sent it to a CNC machine shop to be cut with a program wrote by another stockmaker who I collaborate with. Most of my blanks end up being carved by manual machines and holy shit folks, that CNC machine can cut a stock. This is how it was as I got it, untouched after machining:
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    These little tiny grooves are the only marks left from the cutters... I am accustomed to manual-operated cutters leaving some 1/8-1/4" gouges for comparison. This is very high quality work here.

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    The inletting is super crisp too, something I really appreciate.

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    After only a couple hours of sanding with 120 and 220 grit, and wiped down with mineral spirits to bring out the color and grain:

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    Here it is with the remainder of the board the stock originated from.

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    I saw this and automatically thought of those ridiculous RIP rounds.
     
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    I agree, it made me think of your typical gun show gimmick rounds. However I will credit RIP for showing actual ballistic gelatin testing and stats on their site. I think the MI Bullet guys selling less-than-lethal and "semi-lethal" rounds (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean) without any real test results or basic info like round velocity is very stupid and dangerous.
     
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    Anybody want to buy a complete rifle reloading set including dies, brass, and bullets for .45-70, .45-90, and .348 Win.

    An enterprising soul could have a decent business simply reloading and selling those three rounds alone.
     
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    I was at WalMart the other day and saw some new ammo on the shelves. It's called Perfecta. It's Italian made. I'd never heard of it before, but for 30cents/round for brass .223, I figured I'd pick some up.

    Anyone ever shoot it? Good, bad?
     
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    Never shot it, but I'm real interested in hearing what you think of it though.
     
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    I picked up my Smith & Wesson M&P 10 a few months ago and after some parts swapping, I believe I have found a configuration/ammo selection that works for me. I don't have pics of it in its current configuration but I do have pics of the last target that I shot.

    After walking it in (2 rounds) from the right of the target, I fired this three shot group.

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    I made my scope adjustments, swabbed the barrel and let it cool off for about 30 minutes or so. After letting it rest, I fired this 5 shot group.

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    I do believe that I have a keeper.

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    Nikon Buckmasters 3-9x40 scope
    Nikon P Series scope mounts
    Gissellle SSA-E 2 stage trigger
    MagPul ACS-L buttstock
    MagPul MOE grip
    Troy Claymore muzzle brake
    Nosler Trophy Grade 165 grain ballistic tip ammo. Hornady Match Grade 168 grain BTHPs work well too.

    All shooting was done using this rest from Caldwell.

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    Don't get me wrong here, I live in a country with some of the strictest gun control in the world and its frustrating as hell (i'm currently working through approval for a .22 lever action and im in month 2 and still dont know where my application is at), but isnt this a pretty scary concept?

    Anyone with a spare couple of grand shouldn't be able to put together an unregistered semi-auto firearm... that shit is crazy to me even though i would fucking jump at the chance to own a semi-auto rifle (there is zero chance of me ever being allowed to here)

    I get the American mindset on firearms is vastly different to my own countries and i dont want to step on anyones toes but surely theres got to be a happy medium somewhere between zero gun control and the bullshit i have to deal with in Australia? Whats so bad about registering a firearm?

    Seriously not trying to start another one of those lengthy gun debates we've seen around here before, just genuinely trying to wrap my head around what this guy is doing this for.
     
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    The way I feel about having to register a firearm is that I don't want people to know what I have. I don't need it used against me somehow. Especially if I acquired the gun legally. Its enough that you have to fill out federal paperwork when you do the transfer and background check. But I don't think anyone wants to be on someones list of who owns what.
     
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    You don't even need a couple of grand to make one, that mill is specifically designed for completing 80% lowers. Now while it makes the task easy and more precise, finishing a a lower can be done with a jig and a drill press. I know, because I finished one just to see if I could.

    The unregistered part of gun ownership is a touchy thing with some people, in some small part it has to do with being on a list in some database as a registered gun owner. Now it has never bothered me but then again the only two firearms I own that are registered I bought for hunting, everything else I have has no paper work associated with it. Not for some objection to being on a list but I paid cash for them on the secondary market.
     
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    Yes it will make it easier for people to make guns, but I think there's a lot of hype here since this is nothing new. A CNC machine is just a more complicated version of a human with a hammer and drill press, *case in point what Flat rate did finishing the exact same job himself with simple tools. Seriously, someone posted a link awhile ago in this thread where a guy made a functioning AK-47 out of a shovel in his simple garage shop. People have been making their own guns like that for a long time and the AR-15 in particular draws a lot of attention despite being one of many semi-autos out there and being used in a very small fraction of crimes overall.

    The machine doesn't do the entire job too as it only does the last 20% of work necessary to complete an AR lower receiver. I'm also curious how precise and durable that little machine is too, since you still need to fit the parts together and shitty machines make shitty parts.

    All of this considered... it's still going to be much easier, cheaper, and faster for a criminal just to buy a gun off the black market.

    On registration, I think effective and meaningful firearm registration in the USA would be impossible for a number of reasons. Like Xrayvision and Flat rate said, many of the law-obeying gun owners just don't want to be on a government list (distrust of government, 2nd amendment, checks and balances, etc.) and any firearm sales that cross state lines or much of handgun sales already end up being tracked. Besides, do you really think criminals will register their guns? Canada attempted a long gun registry and it was a complete clusterfuck. Factor in the lack of logic American lawmakers tend to demonstrate in their firearm legislations (I'm looking at you, 1994 Assault Weapons Ban), and you see why we have lots of doubts about a registry.
     
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    We already don't have a firearms registry. The sheet that you filled out to buy a gun was a background check to determine if you are legally allowed to own a firearm.

    Additionally, if Kato and I lived in the same state, I could sell him any gun(s) in my collection without a background check.

    Law enforcement agencies can "reverse check" a gun by tracing the serial number from the manufacturer forward, but there is no itemized list stating what people have. Additionally, there are no penalties for dead-ends on that serial trace once it leaves a dealer's shop.
     
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    The reason the US does not have strict gun control laws and a gun registration is because we don't want strict gun control laws or gun registration. I really think that if they tried to enforce a gun registration, especially in the state I live in there would be bad things that would happen. You also do not need a couple grand to get an assault weapon, you can legally buy a loaded up Ar-15 from a private party for about $700.00 with out having to register anything.

    You want to know how many guns I have? It is somewhere between 0 and go fuck yourself.

    That being said, I think it would be a good idea for everyone to go through CCW (concealed carry) training because it give you some basic knowledge of state and federal firearms laws and what your legal responsibilities are when you posses a firearm.