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Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by ILikePie, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. gogators

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    It has to match the recoil.
     
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    That thing is heavy enough it should absorb a good amount. I still wouldn't want to shoot many rounds though.
     
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    There's a bunch of great photos on the link from Cdite. Absolutely beautiful wood and metal work.

    "Lucchini Sandro & C. firm has been present on the world market since 1946. Current production is limited to classic double-barrrelled shotguns with Holland & Holland system, Anson action and external hammers, with smooth and rifled bore, in the various gauges and types."

    The load information is on the same page... 225 grains of powder and a 1200 gr. solid bullet! Max velocity of 1946 fps with the 225 grain load. Holy shit! Five times the amount of powder in an average .308 load. Recoil generated is 125 ft/lbs. Compare that to the same .308 load in an 8 lb. rifle- 15 lbs.

    I want to see a comparison of that thing to a standard frame sidelock.

    Fuckin' dinosaurs!
     
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    You can get a brand new one with extra features for about 1200


    Item # AR6520 MSRP $1,455.14
    Mfg Colt Your Price: $1,180.00
    Model AR15-A2 Gov't Carbine Sale Ends: 03/16/10
    Type Rifle Quantity: 11
    Caliber: 223 Finish Matte Black
    Additional Specifications
    Action: Semi-Automatic
    Stock: 4-Position Telescoping Buttstock
    Capacity: 20+1
    Receiver: Black Anodized
    Sights: Adj Front, Rear Target Adj Windage & Elevation
    Barrel Length: 16.1" Rifling: 1-7"
    Overall Length: 32" to 35"
    Weight: 5.8 lbs
    Muzzlebreak: Bird Cage Flash Hider
    Packaging: Cleaning Kit and Sling Included
    # of Mags: 2
    Additional Features 1: Front Barrel Lug, Ejection Port Cover
    Additional Features 2: Cartridge Case Deflector
     
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    Hunt dinosaurs? Pfff. How about hunting God?

    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.vincelewis.net/2bore.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vincelewis.net/2bore.html</a>
     
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    I don't know if many other people here are as interested in target rifles as I am, but here's a blog made by an extremely talented gunsmith. His name is Doan Trevor and he mainly works on prone, highpower, and F-class rifles. He does amazing stock work and takes equally good photos. I'm especially geared towards what he does because of the grade of wood you see in his work- he uses exhibition grade walnut for prone rifles. Makes for a shockingly beautiful rifle.

    Definitely worth just browsing through.

    <a class="postlink" href="http://doantrevor.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://doantrevor.com/</a>
     
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    2 of my toys, will get pics of the rest tomorrow.

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    I'm curious if anyone has fired one of these?

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    It's a .45 caliber rifle based on their UMP.
    I like the idea as a fun range gun. I don't hunt so, it'll be strictly a range gun.
    Thoughts? Opinions?
     
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    Just throwing this out there, but if anyone that checks out this thread has a Mosin Nagant or a Mauser they'd like to sell, I'd be interested. I want to get one (Both neat weapons, VERY cheap ammo), but if I can make a deal with a fellow board member, all the better.
     
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    Attention Mall Ninjas

    I almost spit water all over my keyboard when I saw this. The best part is they are sold out of these items. Ridiculous.

    <a class="postlink" href="http://store.a51tactical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_67_79_190&products_id=949" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://store.a51tactical.com/index.php? ... cts_id=949</a>
     
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    I like how he has fingers on both triggers, like he's about to start firing both weapons at the same time.
    Better yet, check out this guy's super-tactical shoes:
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    An unrelated question:
    Does anyone have a S&W M&P? I just bought a .40 cal and I noticed the slide release is a bit touchy when slapping in a new mag. I've tried it over and over, and it goes into full battery every time I put the mag in even remotely hard. It speeds up reloading, but how do I know it's gonna grab a round every time? I'm not sure whether I like it or not.
     
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    I decided to use some scrap maple I had collecting dust and a cheap walnut 10/22 stock to make a nice little benchrest stock.

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    Fitting these pieces by hand was a pain in the ass. I spent a lot of time going back and forth with a round rasp and some inletting black.

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    Just got done gluing the two pieces onto the fore-end today (which is why it looks like hell). I think it's going to turn out surprisingly well. The walnut is pretty plain (which is why it wasn't expensive), but the maple was left over from a super-curly board I had so it will make up for it. If this one sells well, I'll do a second with cherry instead of maple.

    An aluminum butt-plate and some carbon fiber in the fore-end and this sucker will turn some heads.
     
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    (breathing some life into this thread...)

    I'm finally getting the hang of installing fore-end tips. This is the first one I've done that has a perfect seam- no gaps. I figured out a couple of pretty good tricks while messing up the first two I did.

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    I think the line of stocks I'm currently working on will surprise me. Funny how adding a couple of nice touches (ebony tips, grip caps) will really change the way you look at a rifle.
     
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    Long story short, I have narrowed down my choice of a pistol for personal defense and occasional concealed carry to the Ruger P345 (.45 caliber) and the Smith & Wesson Sigma SW40VE (.40 caliber). I know there was a lot of information on the old board concerning this subject, but alas, it's no longer available. What's really drawn me into the Sigma is the $50 rebate currently being offered, so I can get it for less than $300 out the door at a local retailer. The Ruger will be $450-500. The Sigma was a little larger than I expected it to be, about the same size as the P345. I felt like the fit and finish of the Ruger was a little better, and I liked that it was both SA and DA (with a decocker), while the Sigma is only DA. I've read about the heavy trigger pull on the Sigma, and to be perfectly honest I don't like the two-tone, as I would prefer all black. I was originally only looking for a .45, but from what I've read the .40 splits the gap nicely between 9mm and .45 (NOT looking to start a debate about that subject here). I really like the 14 rd capacity of the Sigma magazine, and feel like it not only makes up for any reduced stopping power it may have in comparison to the .45, but surpasses it when compared to the 8 rd capacity of the P345 magazine. Anyone have any insight/advice to help me make my decision?

    Ideally I'd like to be able to fire both first, but the range I know of in town doesn't look to rent either one. As it's a full gun store as well as a range, would they let me fire the display model of each, even if it's not a normal rental gun and I don't end up buying it from them? Just not sure what's normally allowed in this type of situation. Any help is greatly appreciated.
     
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    That's not even a remotely tough decision. Get the Ruger. I have a P345, that I concealed carry quite a bit. I love that gun. It's not the fanciest, it's not match-grade accurate, but it's completely, utterly reliable. Something most Sigmas I've handled weren't.

    Get the P345, and get a Supertuck holster from <a class="postlink" href="http://www.crossbreedholsters.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.crossbreedholsters.com</a> and you'll have what I think is the perfect concealed carry setup. If you've never used a Supertuck, you just can't understand how comfortable they are, and how well they conceal a gun the size of the P345. I can wear it with cargo shorts and a T shirt, and the only way my wife knows I'm carrying is if she tries to put her arm around my waist, or smack my hip.

    I've bought several other handguns since I picked up the P345, but I always go back to the P345 for everyday carry.
     
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    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee9_1190725613

    This kinda shit pisses me off. The old dude hasn't caught up to the last 50 years of progress on this platform. For fuck's sake he's still shooting from the hip! Of course you're not gonna hit shit! He's way to obsessed with full-auto.
    That little 100 round crap-tastic magazine he's trying to show off ? Save you'r money.
    "A walking man can't use sights " I'm about to have an aneurysm
    /rant off
     
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    Funny, didn't John Browning design the M2HB in 1918? Aren't they still used extensively?
     
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    The basic design of the revolver hasn't changed in a while now, how about the 1911? I think there's a couple of companies making some rather large scratch off a 100 year old platform.
    The thing about that video that was so infuriating was the lack of any opposing viewpoint.
    The guy kept on going about AK-47 3.0 version. What? The M-16 has how many variants?
    Christ, they have guns that shoot around corners, computers that analyze wind speed and bullet drop mounted on top of scopes.
    Enough with the bullets anyway...

    Where the fuck is my lightsaber already?!
     
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    The AK-47 is fine weapon, no doubt about it but it could use some ergonomics work and the sights are crap. If I had to choose between a $600 AR-15 and a $600 AK I'd go with the AK (especially if it's a 74) but as it stands I've got $2600 sunk into my AR, you'll have to pry that thing from my cold, dead hands to get me to switch.

    To be honest now that I've cooled down I can see the old codger's POV. He still thinks we're in need of an assault rifle, we're not. The American military has adopted notion that accurate fire is more effective than suppressive fire, and I'm damn happy they have.
    Sure, your AK 47 or 74 might be the superior weapon within 200m but have fun getting to within that distance while I start placing accurate fire from 500m out. The fact of the matter is that AKs are perfect for untrained fighters who don't know the first thing about marksmanship or maintenance.

    Most of the complaints against the M-16 family come from individuals and units who don't have a good maintenance program. Shooting weapons past their barrel life, "parade cleaning", and improper lubrication are the main culprits of the maintenance problem. The weak link in the weapon system is without a doubt the USGI magazines, they're crappy stamped aluminum pieces of junk. Drop a couple 20s on some PMAGs from MAGPUL or get some of the ones Bravo Company USA makes. 99% of the issues people have with the M-16/M-4 can be solved with a better maintenance program, and better marksmanship training. It's infuriating how many infantrymen can't consistently hit a 300m target while looking through an ACOG for fuck's sake!

    Do I think the M-16 family should start to be phased out or at least upgraded? Sure, but there's more important things to worry about. Like a real Designated Marksman rifle, the M-14 now there's a real POS rifle. For some reason people are convinced it's the holy grail of 7.62 NATO rifles. Tell you what, go put 2,000 rounds over the course of a weekend through one of those SOCOM 16 pieces of crap.
    Luckily some of our prayers have been answered, it seems a few companies are coming out with battle rifles that should be up to the task.
     
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    The point I was trying to make is that I found it interesting that there's a big issue over the M16/M4 while the M2HB is almost twice as old and is still being used on the battlefield.

    Is there a big difference in quality between military M-16/M-4 rifles and commercial AR-15 rifles?