Just got caught up thanks to Hulu but I have a question for you all . What was up with the white and black rock on the scale in Jacobs cave? Does it have something to do with good and evil and that's why Flock threw the white rock out cause the balance is gone? Did anyone catch the meaning there or did I miss something from an earlier episode maybe? I like this thought the only thing that get me is the Clair and Rousseau match up. Because according to the Dogen Clair is infected where Rousseau never was.
My initial impression was that the white rock represented Jacob, and the black rock represented Smokey/Flocke. He took the white rock and threw it into the ocean, shifting the balance of power to MiB and tipping the scale. Sawyer then asks him what that meant and he replied, "oh that's just an inside joke" (between Jacob and Flocke). You could see the fear in Flocke's eyes after seeing the little kid in the jungle, but for him to end up being Jacob might be a little TOO obvious for the way everything has been going throughout the whole show. I think it might be Aaron. With Claire being "infected" and if I remember correctly in the first few seasons Claire was told very convincingly by a psychic that she shouldn't take the baby on the plane, something THAT evil/bad/whatever could have been enough to scare Flocke like that. Though I could be way off since it's been a while since I've watched the first two seasons. Either way my head is spinning. God I love this show.
Also a movie where the entire crazy plot turned out to be a hallucination of a dying man. Not a good sign.
The idea that MiB wants to "send Sawyer home" seems to me like he is saying he wants to kill Sawyer, effectively sending his consciousness to the new reality created by Jack and company setting the bomb off. It seems reasonable to believe that when someone dies on the island this happens, proven by Juliet drifting into another world when talking to Sawyer before dying.The only problem I see with this is that MiB kept saying that he was going to "go home" with Sawyer as well. I don't know see how he would have an alternate reality, unless it was caused by something else on the island a long time ago, and he could be freed (he has mentioned that he is trapped multiple times) and sent back to the dark ages or old testament times or whenever the fuck he lived pre-island. This seems to be a stretch though... not sure if he can even be killed while being in Locke's form. I was surprised that Desmond was not a candidate. There are so many parallels to Jacob's job and Desmond's job before the 815 crash... both had to believe they were protecting something bigger than themselves, that they were locked into the job (although I guess Jacob was working on a replacement), and the special numbers were intermingled in both. Maybe Desmond proved he was not worthy when he ditched the job and because of it, the numbers weren't put in.
I think Eloise Hawkings claims that the Island wasn't done with Desmond yet, and the fact that Faraday believed him to be "special" means that Desmond has a much greater role to play in all of this. But we'll see. On a brighter note, I was trying to think how I should introduce this video... Are you telling me I can't sing? DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!
I'm betting anything that the boy was Aaron. Aaron is very important to the island, having been the first baby to be born there. I believe I remember someone saying he was going to be very important. And in the Bible Aaron is the son of Jacob. Hmm......
Not entirely accurate. Ethan was born on the Island in 1977, delivered by Juliet and just prior to the Ajira passengers' arrival. Also, Alex was born in 1988. Nevertheless, I agree that it's Aaron. If so, it'll be interesting to see how he got to the Island.
FUCKER! I tried saying that on the train before by my phone wouldn't let me post it. YOU STOLE MY JOKE!
Also about the white and black rocks, if you remember in the pilot episode Locke was playing Backgammon with Walt and holds the two black and white pieces up and says something about duality (can't remember exactly what). Flocke threw the rock as maybe a sort of dismissal of his earlier, simplistic views about the world. Might also get tied in with something in a later episode as well though.
Everyone is assuming that Flocke's tellling of the names is truthful. However, it makes much more sense for Flocke to lie, and have the "substitute'"be for him. i remember a story, but not the details, of the same thing, where the imprisoned convinced the free to take their place. I think Jacob was in charge of protecting the rest of the world from MiB. Thoughts?
I don't get all the wild speculation about the white and black rocks on the scale. Flocke mentioned that it was an "inside joke". Jacob represents the "light" side of this struggle, Flocke is the "dark", and right now, the dark side has the upper hand or the scale is tipped in dark's direction. I don't think there's anything more to read into it than that.
I disagree. I think the rocks are important. I may be way off base here but isn't there a running theme that Jacob brought the Losties to the island to "save" them from the bad lives they were living? If this is the case I think that reality x is somehow supposed to represent each character's own personal "hell" that they would have experienced had they not been saved. The obvious rebuttal to this is Hugo's seemingly awesome life, but we have only been shown a few bits and pieces of each persons reality x. In this same vein, the show seems to be very biblical, but yet destiny seems to play a part. In the bible god gave man free will. I wonder if the bomb represents the Lostie's choice to not respond the higher calling of the island, and that the result of this choice is each character living a life with no purpose in reality x. I am going to shut up now before I make myself look even more retarded.
I'm with TGD. Just check out the vast amount of Black and White symbolism in the show. FLocke's other name that everyone has been calling him is "The Man in Black". And no, no one has said that Jacob brought everyone to the island to save them. There's been a lot of speculation (Mostly from Doc Jensen) that one of the major themes of the show is redemption, but that's not the same at all. And honestly, I think most of their lives are way better in world_x (except maybe Sun and Jin, but we haven't had their ep yet, so we don't know). I'm kinda with you here. I was surprised the FLocke said the cave was Jacobs. I was pretty sure it was his, until I saw the lyre. MiB doesn't much seem like the musical type. Still, he's plainly not telling the truth, at least not the whole truth, about that place.
Did we ever learn why the Others were brainwashing Carl? Was that just Ben torturing him for fun, or was there some broader indoctrination going on there? For instance, I remember the whole "Only Fools are controlled by time and space" and the references to Jacob then. What I just don't understand is that if Smokey was hell bent on keeping people off of the island (Blackrock), killing the Losties, etc, why would he have let The Others stick around for so long if they weren't being protected in the Temple? And another thing - interesting how Illana took Jacob's ashes. I wonder if all the other ash protection had been previous "jacobs" who had died, or if we are due for another bout of time travelling where the Jacob we know ends up with his ashes being strategically placed throughout the island for various reasons to influence the plot as it developed and we saw it. This show can be such a mindfuck.
"Only fools are enslaved by time and space" is also an angram for: "Bones of Nadlers may lay deep in lost cave" Which can only mean that the identity of the the Adam and Eve skeletons is Rose and Bernard Nadler. Guernica (lostpedia) FTW!
I have watched a few episodes from season 4 and 5 lately, and I am always amazed at how much I forget. Things I saw last night and thought were interesting: 1. re: Faraday's rant to Sawyer when he was banging on the door of the Hatch while they were all unstuck in time. Sawyer knew Desmond was in there. Faraday kept beating him over the head with explanations about how nothing could change, and "whatever happened, happened." The S6 divergent timelines prove Faraday wrong (and the past and future has been changed, at least to the extent that we now know that there is another path) - does that mean that Eloise Hawking, Ben and Widmore (the Others who have left the Island and seem to possess some deeper understanding of it) are also wrong in their beliefs about the island? 2. I find it interesting that there was the Widmore/Ben dynamic where the rules were that they could not kill each other, and now the jacob/smokey same dynamic. Were Ben and Widmore once the Jacob/MIB figures? Or maybe they were "candidates" to be the jacob/mib figures? 3. Watching S4 and 5 episodes has also reaffirmed the significance of Desmond. I'm sure he is going to pop up and save the day or greatly alter everything any minute now.