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LOST Season Six

Discussion in 'TV Shows' started by The Good Doctor, Oct 19, 2009.

  1. El Tee

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    It didn't have to be anyone; Michael already established that people that die on the island are sort of trapped there. It was likely just her no-shit ghost.

    And as for The Bad Twin...I got the impression that that was simply his discarded corpse that Jacob entombed in the Rape Cave. Bad Twin simply took the form of his own corpse when he became the smoke monster a.k.a "the fate worse than death." He was able to take Christian's form in 2004 and Locke's in 2007 when their respective corpes washed up as well.

    That's about as meta as I'm going to get at the moment. That episode was simultaneously awesome yet irritating in its avoidance of hard answers; I hope the next two episodes start shotgunning us some explanations. However, it must be said that Titus Welliver delivered another pinch-hit home run...mucho props to both him and Terry Quinn for being able to personify the same character with similar mannerisms. (And is it me, or does Mark Pellegrino look more and more like a Planet of the Apes chimp with every new episode?)
     
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    He managed to take the now no-shit bad guy of the entire series and make him not only sympathetic, but likeable. Emmy for guest spot, please.
     
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    Damn. I like where you guys are going with this. I have to agree that it was both awesome and irritating, but at least we can stop bitching about who Adam and Eve are. Darlton was right when they said nobody could really guess it.

    And how about that promo for next week? It was kind of creepy/awesome to have The End by The Doors playing.
     
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    A nod to "Apocalypse Now"? There was something Col. Kurtz-esque about Jacob's relationship with the Others.
     
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    Watch it on Hulu, jackass.
     
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    His mother was clearly Smokey before him, and he did kill her with the knife before she had a chance to say a word.

    Why could he see his dead mother and Jacob couldn't?
     
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    I think I can safely say that answering how the donkey wheel was completed and put into place is the answer to that quote.


    I think the Adam & Eve reveal felt forced and pigeonholed, especially since they didn't show the whole season one flashback, particularly where Jack specifically states that based on the clothing decomposition they had been there for 40 or 50 years.
     
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    If his mother was Smokey before him, then we have to assume there was also a corresponding Jacob figure at the time. I guess it's like she said: every question I answer will just lead to another question.
     
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    Decent episode but it seems like a waste to use the 3rd to last week on a show like that. I didn't really care about the backstories of Jacob and the Man in Black, I'd much rather know how Jacob got everyone to come to the island, where he found them, why he chose them, how they all got on that plane together, etc.
     
  10. The Good Doctor

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    No shit. That whole episode could have been told through a combination of flashbacks and dialogue. The producers have stated several times that we'll be getting answers to the questions that are important to our main characters. I don't think our main characters really give a shit about MIB and Jacob's backstory.

    I've really tried to defend Lost through this season to some of my more disgruntled friends, but it's becoming more difficult.

    Here are the questions that I want to know, that are also relevant to the main cast:

    - How/why did Jacob choose the candidates?
    - What does it mean to "protect" the island?
    - We've heard the island described as a "special place", as an electromagnetic anomaly, and most recently, the spot under the waterfall was described is "light and water", "life, death, rebirth". So just what the fuck is it?
    - What makes Walt and Hurley special?
    - What's with the water that brought Sayid back to life? How does that relate to Ben being healed? And how do both of those things relate to the light under the waterfall?

    I also want to know how Jacob is able to travel off the island, but that probably isn't important enough to warrant a straight answer.

    I will say, though, that if they are able to wrap up some of the most important questions, reconcile the two timelines and give a meaningful end to the journey in the next 3.5 hours, they will have accomplished something akin to a masterpiece. I've got my doubts, though.
     
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    [quote="Gramercy" . I didn't really care about the backstories of Jacob and the Man in Black, [/quote]

    Really?? I absolutely wanted to know the backstories. I just wish there was a little more clarity, on what the light is, how long she had been there ect.....I also would have liked to see her turn into the smoke monster. (clearly it's assumed but who knows with this show)

    I know in the bible there are stories about a Jacob and Esau (who were brothers) it does seem to be taking a biblical path.

    I also would have like to seen Smokey rise from the dead and maybe have the episode end with them sitting on the beach watching Richards' boat approach.

    While were at it I would like to see Claire and Kate topless (or bottomless) but I digress....I digress.
     
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    Here is some more theorizing. I love how good this show is at making you guess whether people are telling the truth. Remember how exciting it was when we didn't know if Ben was really Henry Gale, and the moral conflict we had when Sayid was torturing him?

    Is it possible that the light in the stream was not actually goodness, but pure evil, that was trying to draw in a person to possess as a vehicle to get off the island?
    CJ Craig could have been telling them they have to "protect" something good instead of "guard" something bad, just to make it easier for
    the little boys to understand. When in fact, the island is exactly what Jacob told Ricardus it was - a cork keeping the evil out.
    Now the evil is embodied by MiB and is trying to get off the island using that body.
    This would suggest that Smokey/Flocke is NOT the MiB that was Jacob's brother, but just the manifestation of the Evil using MiB and Locke's form as a vehicle.
    The real brother/MiB is dead in the Cave with his mother, with perhaps just some of his memories in the combined Smokey entity.
     
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    Two words, dude: time travel.

    No, but seriously, I agree with you. As interesting as this backstory may yet be (final judgment reserved until May 24th), after one viewing it does seem like the writers haven't managed their airtime as well as they could have. (How many story minutes have been wasted on Kate this season?) One of the things I was very excited about a few years ago when ABC gave "LOST" a firm end date was that the showrunners would have all the room they needed to make everything fit. Sure, there will always be some concessions to the nature of TV shows, where pilots aren't sure to get picked up and certain elements that are there at the genesis have to fall aside for the sake of convenience (see: Walt). I wasn't expecting that "LOST" would intentionally dig itself more holes to fill, though. Introducing "the light" this late in the game seems like a tactical error right now, especially since it's blurring the electromagnetic mystery that's been with the show since the very beginning. Constantly re-inventing the island is bound to spoil the satisfaction of a lot of viewers.
     
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    The long con. Great theory. I really hope that is the case. It would make that episode a little better, and more fitting with Lost's greater themes.
     
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    Little question in case I didn't 'get' it.. Just who the hell is that 'Mother' woman? Is she a random protector throughout the ages, or something?

    Also, how the fuck are we only just hearing about this on the last 5 hours of the show?

    The Adam & Eve thing seemed too forced to me.. Like in order to appease the bigger fans of the show we needed a 'Knew what we were doing all along..' callback. They could've put anyone there, it's not like they explained enough for us in the first place. I mean, think about it: what do we know about Adam & Eve?

    - 2 skeletons, one male, one female. Check.
    - 2 stones, one light, one dark. Check.
    - 40-50 year old clothing. Wait, what? Nevermind, I guess..

    I defended this show long enough to think these guys were actually going somewhere. Now it turns out they really were making it up as they went along. Fuck.
     
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    I may have this wrong, but didn't he say "at least 40 or 50 years"?

    I got the same impression. I think the MIB we've seen up to this point has just been Smokey using his body much like Christian and Locke after both had died. Although this suggests that it couldn't have been Jacob and MIB's "mother" (as Smokey) that destroyed the village since she hadn't died yet.

    I think it's more likely that the vision of MIB's actual mother was the smoke monster, leading him away from Jacob and CJ and to the villagers' camp, setting in motion the events that would allow him(/it?) to assume MIB's form after his death.

    Could have been, but they would have been out there in some pretty shitty weather when his boat crashed into the statue.

    But I'm with you on the Claire/Kate titties idea.
     
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    Jacob is looking for his replacement, right? Well, Jacob was HER replacement. She's the original Jacob.


    HEaring about what, that Jacob hasn't been there forever that there was someone before him? The show has been built on mysteries, OF FUCKING COURSE most of the mysteries aren't going to be revealed until the end.

    That's because it was kind of forced. That's the only thing I'm kind of disappointed with.

    Spoken like someone who has watched the show on it's face without ever delving into the podcasts or interviews given by the creators. At no point have they ever pretended that they knew exactly what was going to happen when they wrote the pilot. I believe someone posted an article yesterday or the day before where they explained how after the first season they started mapping out their long term plans and decided the good vs evil overarching plot, and then they developed the end game in pieces while they were developing the rest of the series.

    The conflict of Jacob vs Man in Black was conceived, then the story grew out from that.

    That would be cool, but it's not to be. When Smokey appears as dead people, he doesn't only appear to one person, he's either there or he's not. Since Jacob couldn't see his mom, only Brother could, it's more than likely that their Mom was NOT a manifestation of the Smoke Monster, but instead a ghost much like Ben's mom when he was a boy.
     
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    Maybe Jack was just wrong. He doesn't have to be right about every prediction he's made.
     
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    Question - in the first season when Smokey was Christian, Jack was the only one that could see him. Kate was standing right there and couldn't see him. Jack even asked her "did you see that?" and she said no. Doesn't that contradict what you're saying here?
     
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    I don't entirely believe Smokey when he said he was Christian in that ep.