I don't remember what comic or storyline or whateverfuck because I don't really read them too much, but there was an instance where Batman didn't want to go along with whatever Superman and the Justice League wanted to, so he proved how he could take down the entire Justice League by himself. Apparently it was some sort of fail safe for himself in case something went wrong. Yeah, we need somebody who would actually know what I'm referring to to back me up, but regardless, even DC says, "Batman defeats everyone because he beats them down with his giant manly bat-cock."
My art portfolio was my strong draw from schools. Not my high school academics, which were just barely above a 3.0 cumulative gpa. However, the two schools I was recruited by were not art schools and did not offer me portfolio scholarships. NCAA Division III schools are not allowed to offer athletic scholarships and so they offered me matching offers for "academics". It was not a lack of athleticism that pushed me away from football; it was a lack of a future in the sport (I'm not going pro and I loved fighting muay thai and bjj at the time, plus with a better non athletic scholarship from my current school, I could study Industrial Design and eventually get into cars or sport bikes. It was a calculated decision between my father and I, not based on my athletic ability (or lack thereof). With a couple years in the weight room, could I have been a starter on defense in football? Possibly. But it wasn't a guarantee. But neither was making the Georgia U23's in rugby or making the Men's Selects. You're making baseless, sweeping generalizations to try to prove a point you know a lot less about than you apparently think. Targeting. I have a long way to go physically, mentally and strategically before that happens. I am not at the peak of my rugby playing yet. I am in good shape and am extremely good at what I do at the level I play at now (using less size but more speed and explosion to make up for the lack of mass). Being able to play three positions extremely well heavily increases my appeal to coaches and scouts. Am I national team caliber yet? No. Don't try to compare me to an NFL player because I'm not a pro rugby player. Compare me to a DII or mediocre DI school football player if you want to make generalizations and valid comparisons. We play several college teams every year and chew on and spit out the ex-football players that didn't make the cut and want to try rugby because it's "so similar". I'm looking at you Auburn, Florida and Tennessee. I've played against DI level college players that were kicked off teams for drugs, violations of team policies, not enough playing time, etc; and they get murdered here. I played against a former UT linebacker who thought he was god's gift to rugby. I spent the first twenty minutes of the match in the scrum dropping his face into the ground, cutting his airway off with his own shoulder, stomping his ankles into the pitch, etc. He decides he can play dirty too and drops a headbutt to the left side of my head in a lineout. He left the next scrum with five broken ribs after 20 minutes on the ground and a team of paramedics trying to make sure his lung wasn't punctured. He was crying. The kid was 6'3, 240 lbs. That's not to try to show off a bunch of internet bravado "look at me I'm a hardass", but you come in like that and you get fucked up. I had my left orbital bone broken for doing the same thing as that kid in my 3rd match ever. Football players will not control a rugby pitch. It's that simple. There you go talking about things you don't understand again. Rugby players are paid very well professionally, but not ungodly amounts. They play rugby because they love it and they aren't subject to the backdoor bullshit behind most major sports leagues here in the states. They don't hold out from training camp because 1 million dollars next year isn't enough. (I'm looking at you, Reavis.) NFL players are very highly paid, but it doesn't increase any sort of appeal to the Europeans or Pacific Islanders, the Saffers or the Kiwis. They find american football to be obscenely boring and out of curiosity, have you seen the rugby kickers? They put NFL kickers to shame all day. Yet, they don't come flocking to American Football "for the money and understood incentives". The sponsorship game has started to flood rugby like it has with soccer and american sports. Even looking at stars' league salaries isn't a good comparison anymore for how much sponsorship money they and their clubs make through major corporations. Do your homework next time, read up on Lawrence Dallaglio, Joe Rokocoko, Dan Lyle and Martin Johnson. You'll learn a lot, my friend.
You might be thinking of The Tower of Babel storyline in which Batman had compiled the strengths and weaknesses of the justice league as well as contingency plans to kill/take down all of them. Ra's Al Ghul steals the information and proceeds to take out each member while batman is distracted by a side plot. They end up helping each other to recover by various means though (of course). I was also meaning to point out that there is indeed a 'scene' in the Batman: Hush comic in which Superman falls under the control of Poison Ivy through kryptonite infused lipstick. Superman goes nuts and Batman has to step in and take him out, which he does. Superman himself asked Batman to take him down if that ever happened, so that says a lot right there if Superman knows that Batman can do the job. Christ, I surprise even myself with my nerdyness sometimes.
In my opinion the way i saw football players coming onto my team is that even though the understood the game, were very well conditioned and such they had a hard time adjusting. As i said before in this thread the lack of start stop got to them in the beginning. When the game is flowing you dont have time to reset into a forward pack you just need to fill in the gaps in the field. Some of them had a hard time adjusting to just going into contact themselves since they knew they had the option to pass, so they would over think and just kind of blindly chuck the ball. That said i have seen some football players come onto my team and do great there is no question about it. Rugby is all about pace/ control as well. Its like if you do make a break and get some yards and its 1 on 1 and you know you cant make it through; you go into contact stay on your feet and wait for support. Or if you know your backs are in shambles for some reason the scrum-half should pick up on that and keep the ball in the pack and just have the forwards set up another ruck 5 meters down and give your backs more time. As I type this I can certainly see football players being better at certain positions but ones where I see them having to be a critical thinker as to the organization of the field not so much. ( in my opinion/ and the teams I've played for I would consider, 8 man, Scrumhalf, Flyhalf and to a certain extent the fullback being those players). The game is filled with injuries but from my experience there has been a lot more blood injuries than physical broken bones. In which case you get yelled at go off for stitches/butterflys and come back. Though I dont remember the first rugby game i ever played in (concussion). I have had three broken noses, 3 separated shoulders ( in the same season) and i did something to my knee that kept me pretty much from running. I have seen a football player in his first game try and juke, go outside for that extra yard, and he had a broken sternum and a mild concussion, ive seen teeth knocked out etc. The list goes on but the one thing i've noticed is no one milks the injury( unlike I've seen in football.) they just suck it up and get back when they can
And how does he take him out? Does it in any way involve a certain crystal starting with the letter K and ending with Batmansapussywithnopowers? For all the Batman supporters: who would you put money on in an arm-wrestling contest? Batman, or Superman/ANY CHARACTER WITH SUPER STRENGTH?
For arm wrestling superman, but if it's everyone's skills and abilities then you have to go with an appropriately prepared Batman. If he can't use Kryptonite, then he's going to use magic (people forget Supes is fully susceptible to magic) and if he can't magic then he's going to use sufficiently advanced technology (something else Supes if vulnerable too.) The problem with the whole "he'd just melt his face with heat vision" is that in the domain of the discussion we have to keep personalities in play and Superman is the ultimate Boy Scout. He does not kill, he does not cheat, and it is really hard to even get him to lose his temper. The Batman won't kill, but as a regular man without super powers he will cheat like a mother fucker and always stack the deck in his favor. The fact that he is brilliant and extremely paranoid doesnt help matters. Red Kryptonite evil Superman would fuck his shit up though, but that's not the discussion.
Ba-hahahaha! Are you fucking serious? Fucking magic? Really? Since when does magic hurt anyone, let alone a superior being from another planet? What, he's gonna rack his brain so hard trying to figure out how Batman picked his card, leaving Batman a prime opportunity to...choke him out? I'm not a big comic book guy, and neither of these two are my faves, but I love the debate because Batman boosters rack their brains so hard trying to conceive of some non-Kryptonite-related way Batman could win. It's like a puppy trying to jump up on a couch that's just out of their range. "Sufficiently advanced technology"? Oh yeah? Like that one issue I read where Superman smothers an exploding nuclear device? So Batman just happens to have technology more sufficiently advanced than THAT lying around the Bat Cave? You might as well have just repeated kryptonite again. Oh, thank god The Batman won't kill, otherwise Superman would be in loads of trouble from the crazy, strong-for-a-mortal rich guy with a bat fetish. Whew. So you're saying if normal Superman wanted to, he could fuck Batmans shit up? Thanks for proving my point.
Please tell me you're still in school because you must be incredibly naive if you honestly think that a rugby player would turn down a multi-million dollar NFL contract if it were offered to them. Look, I don't know shit about rugby and only a moderate amount about football, but I know people, and I know that a few million dollars is more than enough for someone to start playing a new sport even if they find it "obscenely boring and out of curiosity." If those kickers are really as good as you say, they'd be in the NFL.
Superman is like the pathetic Sea Shepherd organization which will truly never win because their own "code" is too "good" to actually use real violence, extreme tactics, or deception. They do not wage war, they merely play hero. How many times did that old white dude, Lex Luthor, take Superman to task over and over again trapping him repeatedly? Batman takes no prisoners, he knows how to go Sun Tzu on your ass. Just because Superman has the power to inflict massive damage doesn't mean shit. Superman is always about saving us poor, pathetic human beings because he is so superior with god-like powers. Batman doesn't play that, he just brings it and isn't afraid to inflict the destruction. Not to mention whenever solar flares fuck Superman's shit up and leave him without powers. No special K needed there.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-488046/American-football-woos-kicking-king-Wilkinson--5m-year-hits.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... -hits.html</a> Granted, in this case a contract wasn't definitively offered, but it seems Wilko could easily have got one if he had pursued his interest in the NFL. 3 years after that article, he's still at the top of the rugby game. People can have motivations other than money. Surely it's naïve not to understand that.
It was pretty stupid of me to say it as absolutely as I did, there are some people who will opt not to take the money. But I would argue that a portion of his decision was based on fame, he would have just been another kicker in the NFL, it appears he is a star in England from what I can see. That said, the very fact that this article was written shows that these guys aren't turning down NFL contracts left and right. One exceptional guy turned down a chance to play in the NFL, I would be willing to bet the farm most of them would take the offer. I also find it hilarious that his pay would have increased by a factor of 20.
Super Man is a giant pansy douche! Batman on a regular basis caves his skull in for him! Also the fact that supes is one of the most cosmically stupid characters in all of superhero-dom tends to work in the dark knights favor. Hell on a regular basis the caped fairy forgets he has powers. And Batman keeps kryptonite on him often, and in the Bat Cave at all times. And he carries around solar manipulation type devices just in case Super man gets possessed. Something that happens about as often as J. Johna Jamison tries to pin a crime on your friendly neighborhood Spider Man! (Who coincidently would dog walk the hell out of both of them!) Oh, and why are we even having this debate. Because everyone knows that Marvel > DC!!!!!!!
There's other factors aside from money (not as good as money, admittedly, but still good). Lifestyle is a major one. A lot of the players, whether younger or older, have family ties they don't want to be away from. Then there's the representative angle. Rugby is played all over the world at top level. Representing your country is a major stimulus for these guys. Then there's the big fish/little pond angle. Fame and status work for some people, and it's better for them to be the top of rugby here than a no name in the pack in NFL. Then there's tax/green card/immigration/longevity/general ratfuckery/xenophobia/limited spots/potential import caps (?). It's not just the dollars.
Awesome nerd debate I had tonight: You've been kidnapped. You can have the characters from one TV show rescue you. Who do you choose?
The Jersey Shore, but only in the hope that some or all would get killed in the attempt. Id take one for mankind. To be serious about it though, id be torn between the A-Team and MacGuyver
Idiot. StarTrek. Scotty would just beam me the fuck out, Photon Torpedo the shit out of the kidnappers from space while I'm kicking back, getting a gobby from a green bitch and knocking back a space ale with James T. Game. Over.
Still Wrong. Star Trek's ensign rescue track record is pretty deplorable, especially if you are a redshirt. You might as well just surrender to the Borg. I would so rather know Captain Malcolm Reynolds and his crew were coming for me, especially given their track record - even with sociopaths. They fought Reaver's man! REAVERS. Spoiler
You say that as if using kryptonite was the "easy way out" for killing Superman. That's comparable to saying i "stabbing a human in the heart is the easy way to kill a one." Doesn't make any sense. That being said, I don't remember if they went into specifics, but the mere fact that a canonical storyline had Superman telling Batman to take him out if need be should be all the evidence anyone needs for the argument. Why didn't Superman ask Wonder Woman? Or Green Lantern? Or anyone else? Because the only god damn person who could do it is NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA BATMAAAAAAAAANNNNN
Jesus christ you people fail as geeks. Batman carries a Kryptonite ring, in case he ever needs to go up against Superman, but despite that little bitch handicap he's given himself - every time he HAS gone up against Superman - he's gotten his ass kicked. Superman is a shit comic character with an entirely implausible moral code who is essentially invincible, and while Batman is a much, much better character, that doesn't change who'd win in a fight.