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Paleo cooking/lifestyle thread

Discussion in 'Sports Board' started by Frank, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. Kinsey

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    That chicken recipe's a good one, I make it pretty frequently, I don't make much else that uses sherry vinegar. First time I tried it, I marinated it overnight and the coconut oil all re-congealed, ended up a big mess, not sure that that much time added anything otherwise.



    Dinner was just a quick chop salad w. some roma tomatoes, green peppers & green onions, spinach, carrot, can of tuna & a chicken breast lightly dusted with this seasoning.
     
  2. mya

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    Well, shoot Kinsey, I read your review right after I had put the chicken and marinade with coconut oil together to marinate overnight. Hope it ends up OK. I also didn't have sherry vinegar so just used cider, and realized that the fish sauce that I have has sugar in it after I mixed. Oh well, it is only 1 tbsp for 6 servings so hopefully it won't ruin the entire diet completely.

    Day 3 and going along just fine, I feel good, I am almost getting used to coffee without sweetener. I don't mind no dairy if I can sub coconut/almond milk. My only criticism (and this is going back to what shimmered was saying about relationship with food) is there is absolutely nothing on portion control or size. Sure, you can recommend to just eat until you are full, but realistically, the majority of people around here didn't get overweight and unfit because they were able to recognize that point. Sure, I agree that it is a lot harder to overeat lettuce and chicken breasts than potato chips, but overeating is overeating. Maybe all of this is outlined in the book that I didn't buy, but anyway, this is a little guideline that I have been missing in the whole "don't weigh, don't count calories"thing. I guess I am just not that in touch with my body. Maybe that is the point though, when you focus less on those things you focus more on internal clues.
     
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    I made an AWESOME salad today with:

    I diced chicken breast (baked)
    a cup or so of spinach leaves
    1/2 cup diced strawberries
    handful of sliced almonds
    1/4 cup sliced red onion

    Toss it all in a vinaigrette, I like a strawberry poppyseed in my fridge that isn't paleo unfortunately, but there are some good recipes here: http://paleodietlifestyle.com/salad-dressing-and-vinaigrettes/

    This is a huge salad for me, I'll be eating it for a couple of days.

    My breakfast was eggs scrambled with mushrooms, artichoke hearts, tons of butter with some shredded crab. Delicious, and it holds me over well.
     
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    It's *really* really really hard to overeat brussels sprouts and steak. It's EASY to over eat nuts and nut butters, but vegetables and chicken breast and steak?
    Nah. You can try, but it won't work out too well.
    Honestly, the people I train - when they go paleo, I have to remind them to get enough calories. Otherwise, it gets bad.
     
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    I'll second that over eating is VERY difficult on this diet.
    Even eating 3 8oz steaks with onions and mushrooms, a lb of broccoli, a couple eggs, and a few handfuls of various berries you will still be under 2000 calories by a lot. Replace steak with chicken breast and you will be getting close to under 1000.
     
  6. Frank

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    The concept is the food you are now eating will not trigger hormonal responses that cause you to feel artificially hungry and overeat. The main area that people tend to focus on portion control here is fruit and nuts. There's no magic number for fruit, just try to replace it with veggies where you can. The rule I've heard with nuts is only eating them if they're in a shell and only eat them while peeling the shell since it's so easy to pound a fistful of nuts which are very calorie dense.

    This is assuming you're trying to lose weight though, you should be good to go eating whatever paleo foods whenever unless you respond poorly to them.
     
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    How can I reconcile the different stances on bacon between this advice from Whole9 and the second piece of advice, written on Mark's Daily Apple?

    This is the first time I've read two directly contradictory pieces of advice about something so fundamental. Now, I want to figure out whether or not I can continue to have 2 pieces of bacon with my usual 3 scrambled eggs & veggies. It's only 2 pieces, so it can't be that bad for me, right?

     
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    You have to realize that the context of the Whole9 article was shopping on a budget. If you can't afford the uncured, nitrite and nitrate free stuff you shouldn't be eating bacon frequently. Here's a more recent article by Whole9 on bacon. Much of the same reason Cordain suggests sticking with lean meats if you're not going to go the grass fed organic route.
     
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    Has anyone here bought shares in a meat CSA? I've somehow been completely oblivious to the idea until yesterday and am super interested. I'm a little unclear on some of it though.

    -If you sign up are you locked in for the season?
    -Do they deep freeze the meat for you or is it just refrigerator ready?
    -What happens if you're out of town for a week and can't pick up your share?
    -Are all CSA's different rendering my previous questions stupid?
     
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    Thanks for the info on the overeating, but I seriously can chow down on some brussel sprouts. Out of curiousity, I just plugged in my calories for yesterday, and it appears that I ate about 1790 calories. I have no idea what my ratio of fat/carbs/protein is supposed to be but am a bit horrified, 47% fat, 25% carbs (too much fruit), and 28% protein. Anyway, I guess the whole point of this exercise is to let all of this obsession with numbers go. Uggh, this is the hardest part.

    Frank, I did join a meat CSA, but am still waiting for delivery so can't yet give any first hand info. I posted about it earlier in the thread, including what I will be getting with my share (I only purchased a half share to start). I think there are tons of different options, but here is how mine works. It is delivery once per month for a year (whole share was twice per month so I am hitting every other). I am assuming that if I had to miss my pick up, I could make it up at one of the other week pick ups. Good thing is these are all local farmers who I am assuming will be pretty reasonable and flexible. Not like you are dealing with a big corporation, but of course this could totally be wrong. There are several pick up sites around the area, but the shareholders are responsible for switching off to pick up the meat from the farm and deliver to your personal pick up location. I think that it comes frozen, but again, I could be wrong about that. We talked to a few different people, and it looks like there are small variations for how each is managed. Since I don't have a huge freezer to store an entire cow, this was a nice option. I'll keep you posted.
     
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    Jesus, this is coincidental timing to be talking about bacon.

    I stood in the deli section for probably five minutes tonight, trying to decide which - if any - of the bacons available were Paleo. Yes, I know I should get them from a local butcher, but I'm not driving across town at 7pm just to find a closed butcher shop. I picked the one NOT labelled "natural" because all it contained was pork, water and sulfates. The "natural" ones were full of salt and sugar. I guess this means I'm cheating with dinner tonight? I didn't realize bacon was off-limits.

    If I'm cheating, then fuck it; I'm putting a teaspoon of vanilla in the crepe I'm making. The recipe comes straight out of Mark Sisson's cookbook, so I'm unsure if any cheating is even occurring right now.
     
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    Does the vanilla extract have alcohol in it? If so, then yep, cheating. If not, I'd think it was more of a spice than a sweetener.

    Made up a batch of this breakfast sausage, cut out the 1lb of bison and just used 2lbs of meat but then upped the seasonings, especially the sage & cayenne. Simple to prep, turned out great.
     
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    What are the best sources for coconut milk? I've been buying half-gallons of Silk Coconut Milk, but I wonder if I'd be better off making my own, or buying it canned (if I can ever find any, that is).

    A 1-cup serving of the milk I buy for $3.25 contains only 5g fat, while a quarter-cup of the canned milk can yield 12g. Apparently, said cans are also less than $2 each. Am I buying the wrong stuff?
     
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    I was wondering about this too. Can I buy it in quantities less than a half gallon?
     
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    Well, I could be totally wrong about this, but I think that the two are different. The Silk milk has the consistency of milk and is good for drinking, the canned stuff (like Thai kitchen brand for example) has more of a thick and creamy consistency. I typically use it for cooking, especially things like curries, thai foods, etc. If a recipe calls for coconut milk, I guess I just assumed that it is of the canned variety. But for drinking purposes, stick with the boxed (more expensive) stuff.

    As far as quantity, I found coconut milk creamer in a pint size to use in place of cream at Whole Foods. I believe it was So Delicious brand, and I am not sure how much I paid for it, but am pretty safe in saying it was too much.
     
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    Mmm...it's been a long time since I've had me some unicorn sweat. Sunday dinner, you are now planned.

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    Anyone have any advice for the smartest way to keep the calories up for extremely active people while eating paleo? I do a ton of running, lifting, swimming, calisthenics, biking, etc. daily, and know that I don't always get enough calories in. I've been upping the quantities of things like coconut milk to get some extra cals in, but I'd love to branch out. Also, am I overlooking any carb sources when I say I'm mostly just getting them from sweet potatoes, yams, fruits, and veggies? I've cut out grains and dairy almost entirely recently, to give it a try. I try to time my carbs in an intelligent way, and typically try to scale them with my daily activity level.
     
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    For pure calories you can always eat more nuts. A bag of mixed nuts has 1,000+ calories, and is pretty easy to munch down while you're watching tv, or whatever leisure suits you. An 8 ounce bag of macadamia nuts has 1600 calories. You can use more oils in your cooking as well. For optimal paleo carb sources, this is a pretty good chart. Don't be afraid to add in white potatoes too. In my opinion, if you're that active you shouldn't obsess about what's paleo and what isn't. You can get by on the diet, but it's probably best to add some dairy back in. Maybe try going a month without dairy, and a month with, and see if it has any effect on your performance.
     
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    I don't totally agree with Kampf Trinker on that one. I think it's still important to stay within paleo limits since you want to manage your inflammation as much as possible (it can be a problem if you're really active). Nuts can also be an issue if eaten in big quantities. You can try it, but if you start having problems with your digestion, that's where I'd look first.

    I'd suggest:
    - Incorporating white potatoes. They are a pretty decent source of calories and they are tubers. I feel fine eating them, and I'm usually pretty sensitive to stuff (see for yourself though). Slice them, put some olive oil on them and put them in the oven for a while and you should get something decent-tasting and full of calories. Plantains are pretty cool and easy to eat too
    - Putting butter and olive oil on everything. When you eat steak, put a small piece of butter on each bite. It's tasty and it boosts your calories pretty fast.
    - Eating a few bananas every day. You can handle it just fine with the amount of cardio you do. They taste sweet too, so they go down easily.
    - Not worrying about carb timing that much. Just eat as much as you can every day. It's the only trick I found not to burn myself training 6 days a week or more.
    - Never fasting. You're already stressing your body a lot, that additional stress isn't needed

    That's all I can think about for now.
     
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    Fats...avocado and nut butters and things of that nature.


    Not gonna lie - the past week has been hell on my nutrition. Two cupcakes and a cheeseburger (maybe two? hell I don't remember) and some pizza later I hate all the things. Though - the cupcakes DID have bacon in them.