Sober Thread: 3 women missing for 10 years found alive.

CNN has gained access to a bunch of pictures of that sicko's house and backyard.... How anyone -- especially the dude's family who went to the house -- didn't find anything remotely even REMOTELY "suspicious" is beyond me.

Chains and rolls of barbed wire in the backyard. Blue tarps surrounding the yard. The creep removed the house's windows replaced them with boards.

I know hindsight is 20/20 and everything, but still -- you show me that house, tell me someone's living there, and I'm sure as shit calling the cops. If nothing else he's breaking some serious building codes/HOA laws so there's your jurisdiction and likely some probable cause to see what the fuck else is in there.

IMO, Cleveland PD really dropped the ball with this one. But then again, it's not like they're used to running a good city anyway.

 

Here's the pictures I was talking about

 

Well, I'm sure the Homeowner's Association left several strongly worded letters in the mailbox and an email letting him no that he is NOT invited to the fourth of July picnic until his yard was cleaned up.

It's a poor neighborhood. Poor people seem to collect junk- junk cars, scrap metal, old toys, furniture, etc. This isn't uncommon and there are millions of homes across the country that are just like his. They're in every community. He had dogs. I wouldn't give much thought to a couple of rolls of barbed wire, hoists, or chain. People use all of these things to keep dogs in (or out if you raise chickens or rabbits and Hispanic populations raise both) or lift junk. Even tarps aren't a huge red flag to me. Further, it's a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. The last thing anybody is going to do is call the cops on a building code violation. Boarding up the house is suspicious, absolutely, and his family certainly neglected to acknowledge any suspicions that they may have had. However, you'd have to practically scrap the fourth amendment and start a nationwide sweep of homes to investigate every yard that's full of random shit.

 

This is so fuckin' beautiful it just has to be repeated. You live in a really sheltered world, don't you?

 

Not to be an oppositional jerk or anything, but those pictures didn't raise any red flags for me. Maybe it's because I live in a blue collar area of southwestern Pennsylvania, but lots of people keep crap like that in their yards. All strewn about like that, too. Hell, five minutes away from my house is a guy who doesn't even seem to have a yard...the property in front of his house is covered by several dozen of those blue tarps being held in place by various rusty pieces of metal and other assorted junk that he's let accumulate over the years. I happen to know he's a good-for-nothing drunk who couldn't maintain a lawn if his life depended on it, but should his undesirable junk accumulation make me concerned about the likelihood of him keeping women captive in the crawl space beneath his dilapidated abode? I don't think so.

Same thing goes for the windows. Glass replacement ain't cheap, dude. Again, lots of people board up their windows when they become cracked or broken...and it's not necessarily the first thing on their to-do list when they get a paycheck that can replace the broken window glass. Should having zero house pride automatically trigger my spidery sense? No, I don't think so.

I see all these people saying "Oh, he never let anyone into certain rooms of his house--how suspicious! That would've made me suspect something awfully specific, like maybe he's been keeping three women captive for a decade!" Ugh, whatever. It would not. If your neighbor had a messy, junky yard and he boarded up his windows because he was too cheap to fix them, you wouldn't think twice about the fact that he doesn't let people into his home past the clean(ish) living area. You would assume "hoarder" or "messy" or "grows pot upstairs" and then would not give it another thought again.

EDIT: What they said, minus some of the more offensive classist statements.

 

Yeah, I grow it outside! Jerk.

 

I know it's a result of completely different upbringings, and I don't mean to derail this, but it makes me laugh sometimes at what you people consider "poor".

 

Well he has/had a house. So by default that has to put him at a certain income bracket right?

 

OK. It's been over a month and I still think this dude needs to be kicked in the balls until he dies.

What has happened in the previous month? He's been charged with 300 some odd counts of kidnapping, rape, and murder.

His lawyer's response "He pleads not guilty."

Lets see, they found 2 girls imprisoned in a house he owns and lives in, and another one that escaped from the house who claims the same. There is also child whose DNA matches his.

Yep, it's a pretty flimsy case that this fuck did anything wrong. And the lawyers will drag it out forever, making the victims testify and relive their own personal hell for what? Justice?

Fuck that. Take him out and shoot him. 50 cents. It's over. The lawyers get nothing and society doesn't have to feed and house him.

 

You and I are SO on the same page about this. Shoot the fucker, and while you're at it line up the other brother from the Boston bombing that way you'll only waste one bullet.

 

[sarcasm]Where is your humanity! This man has basic human rights! The justice system MUST prevail! Everyone is guaranteed due process under the constitution! You people are fucked up![/sarcasm]

Yeah, kicking him in the balls until he dies sounds just about right.

 

Hm, all of a sudden you guys are in favour of emotional, knee-jerk responses that won't actually do anything or prevent this from happening in the future.

I can think of another thread we had where that kind of opinion didn't fly.

 

Of course there should always be reasoned discussion on how to stop things like this, and the Boston thing, from happening again. Unless someone is a psychopath, I would expect rational reasonable people to try and figure out a solution to any of these problems; however, also expressing the emotional knee-jerk opinion that I'd like someone to kick this creep in the balls until he died isn't necessarily counterproductive. While it might not stop it from happening again to someone else, it would definitely stop this guy from doing it again. That said, it should only be after he has had full legal representation and a trial by a jury of his peers. Then he should be kicked in the balls until he dies. Does that make it a little better? And I'm honestly not trying to be sarcastic about that last part.

 

Look, I didn't suggest it was counterproductive. It's just altogether useless as an idea, and not a particularly respectable one, either.

Like I said: it's an emotional, knee-jerk response that isn't going to prevent this from happening again. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which topic of discussion about a shocking tragedy featured that very same logic.

 

So, what is your suggestion as to what should happen to this guy since you are so wise and worldly?

Look at the facts:

He owns the house where the police found 2 girls that had been held captive, raped, and tortured for 10+ years.

He resided in that house for those 10+ years.

The girl that escaped claimed the same thing and they found a child that shares DNA with her and him.

You're an over educated kid who thinks you have life all figured out, trust me son, you haven't a fucking clue. Hopefully someday you'll understand that.

A knee jerk reaction means that you immediately want justice, we're past that. Facts are in and some of us still have the same visceral reaction to the case. The people that agree with me are about my age and we all have children. Children this fuck could've used for his sick fantasies.

Until you have actually lived life I would suggest you keep your holier then thou opinions to yourself because it makes you sound like a goddamned idiot.

 

If yours is the kind of attitude that's indicative of real wisdom, you can keep it.

 

I remember being idealistic and hopeful, even for monsters. I think the captives might enjoy knowing karmic return is real and that toytoy is delivering some pain. I have kids. That has given me teeth when thinking of dealing with creeps like this psychopath. Not very Utopian, but life will never be that way.

Hate the response, ghetto, but I'm free to feel it. Judging is for amateurs.

 

I didn't say it was wrong to feel the response, but it is wrong to seriously suggest that things like a jury and a trial and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment aren't needed or are getting in the way of justice.

Both of these sentences are you projecting.