I was pretty drunk when I watched that episode so maybe I am wrong but doesn't the Tucson chapter have a black member?
Pretty sure they didn't. The logic behind Juice's actions is pretty confusing. Even if SOA is strict about black members, surely getting kicked out is better than giving the whole club up to the feds and painting a huge bullseye on your back. Because you'd have to be stone stupid to believe that the club is going to be left alone when they could be charged with importing massive amounts of drugs and that the club, the Mayans and the cartel are going to be cool with it. On the other hand, why touch the drugs if he's not at least thinking about it.
Holy shit! Spoiler Clay is going to whack Tara? Hopefully, Unser has prevented it. I also really hope that Jax finds out and straight up kills Clay. That motherfucker needs to die. Also, Spoiler I thought that Jax was really going to cheat on Tara with that nasty porn gash. Glad he smashed her face instead.
Best episode so far this season. Clay needs to die a painful death at the hands of Jax, and it probably will come down to a "death match" eventually, but I'm putting my money on Jemma to be the one to kill Clay. She'll be forced into having to chose between them. Loved the scene with Opie and his old man.
I think it was top 5 episodes of the series. The emotion that ran through the whole thing was incredible. I had a HOLY SHIT moment when Juice killed the guy... I really didn't think he had it in him. I'm mixed on the conversation Juice had with Chibs. It seemed a little forced, and a little gimmicky... but Chibs wasn't the right person to ask about the rules, you know he is a fucking stickler... I'm STILL not sold on the black issue causing him to get kicked out. The dude has shown his dedication time, and time again. And, BTW, what race is Happy? He's not 100% white. Just look at my avatar.
It depends on how closely they want to stick to "real" 1%er culture. I've done quite a bit of research and reading related to outlaw motorcycle clubs for school, and from what I can tell, if they have that rule in place they will absolutely stick to it. In real life, obviously some of that is based on racist overtones, but another large part of it is sticking to tradition: old school MCs came about in an era where racism was prevalent, and as such those rules were brought into effect back then. While the racist sentiment may be a bit more diminished, clubs will be hesitant to change the rules that were created from the beginning, basically for the reason they said on the show: if they change/don't follow one, then what's to stop everything from falling apart? So to summarize: Clubs will absolutely kick out and sometimes kill someone who hid their racial identity for the purposes of membership, dedication be damned.
See, I started thinking why it would be a big deal myself and then I came to this conclusion too. It's just been in the rules for so long that they follow it. But here's my problem. Isn't it in the rules that SAMCRO does not run drugs, that they do everything they can to prevent drugs in their town or even being run through their town? So it goes back to what Chibbs said "If you don't follow one, then whats to stop everything from falling apart?" Well, your already breaking what I thought/considered to be the #1 rule that SAMCRO has been about. Protecting Charming by keeping the drugs out. So, if your just gonna break that rule, whats the problem with having a black guy in the group, especially one thats so loyal? I think if Juice can keep his secret until someone besides Clay is in charge, he will be fine. Opie, Jax, Bobby Elvis... I believe any one of those would look past it and let him stay in the group. BUT! and a big one at that, he just shot a patched in member of his own club in the face and it was all to preserve himself. As soon as that happened, I didn't care what race he is or that he might get kicked out of the club. He just killed a brother of his club. Unacceptable.. he SHOULD be kicked out, if not killed.
I understand the reasoning behind the storyline, but it still feels very off. Again, he'd rather kill a brother, sink the club and get killed instead of getting kicked out? And as Davon already said, so far they've voted on pretty much everything. Hell, fucking a member's wife is apparently cool.
Getting "kicked out" isn't a simple or painless thing. They very well may cap him, not just scrape his ink and boot-fuck him. Never mind that the club is EVERYTHING to him. It's his identity, his meaning of life, and his family. I can totally see losing that as a very, very big deal to him... even to the point that he's willing to do just about anything and everything to keep it. In the face of losing all of that, whacking a fellow member could be a totally reasonable knee-jerk reaction. If you watch, what he did really seems to hit him after the fact... but by then he's fucked. It's not like he pre-planned it, he was caught unawares and a gun was pulled on him. He was a cornered animal, in a sense, and his base survival instincts kicked in. Loving this season so far.
Spoiler OK, is it me or can you clearly here a branch break and Juice hit the ground right as it fades to black?
Spoiler I went back and played it a couple of times, and while you don't see it, yeah, you hear the branch break and him hit the ground. He'll have bruising around his neck though, big time... especially the way chain pinches. But needless to say... HOLY FFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK. Shit is brewing in a hurry. What an awesome episode.
Spoiler Some asshole on Facebook wrote "NOOO JUICE!!!" on his wall two minutes after the episode ended. I couldn't watch it til later. I reported it as spam and un-friended him. Fucker.
I'm not sure if that was surprising or expected. Shocking nonetheless. In past seasons, you could at least see a glimmer of hope that things might turn for the better. I don't see that at all this time. It's dark and getting darker. Spoiler No way Opie finds out this season. Clay has done too much bad shit and if Opie finds out, Clay won't last the end of the season. Opie has two reasons now to kill Clay. Jax has one big one too. Hell, the whole club has reason to want him dead when stuff gets out into the open. One more season after this should be it. They end this season somehow getting out from under this cartel stuff somewhat cohesive except Jax finds the letters either in a way Piney set up or he gets them from Tara. Hoping it's Piney's contingency that gets them into Jax's hands in a great "fuck you" to Clay. Next season is back to the showdown between Clay and Jax. I actually think Gemma will be the one to put a bullet into Clay. They've alluded to her knowing about Clay killing John, but it's never been out in the open. Her fault was falling for Clay and cheating on John. John drifted from her as well. She's cold, but I really don't think she's that cold to kill her son's father. Clay threw the letters into the fire before she could read them so I think she might not know the whole story. I also think that her putting the bullet into Clay would be pretty dramatic and a way for the club to rally around how Clay hurt them all. Only way I see any light at the end of this dark tunnel. Could end up just continuing to turn to shit for the entire club until there's nothing left, similar to how The Shield went out. I still think that there is a small glimmer of hope and it rests in the letters and John's original writings.
Spoiler R.I.P. Piney. You were the voice of reason. Clay has definately become my most hated character of any TV Show at this point and I know he's only going to get worse. They kind of fixed the Juice Suicide story pretty quickly though huh? I did find that scene with him and Chibbs very good though. How does this season end with Clay NOT dying? I mean, I know the show is coming back at least next year and then should have another one after that but there's no way that all these secret killings stay secret for that long. Something's got to happen to him and I just can't seem to figure out what. And that's why I love this show.
That dude without the fingers (I can never remember his name...) is hilarious. His comedic timing is impeccable. The only other time I chuckled during this episode was when Tig casually swung Gemma's purse over his shoulder in a very, very habitual manner as he followed her out to her car. Speaking of Tig, are we ever going to get an update on his daughter? I'd really like to know what she did with all that money. Spoiler Oh, Juice. I am so glad you're not dead, but how the fuck are you going to get out of this coke mess? I really don't see a way for this to end well. Clay just showed his hand. Unser will figure this out. If that happens, Unser goes next. On the upside, though, Clay just got rid of two votes to remove him from the President Chair. I'm sure Opie will back down and side with Jax now that Piney isn't around. So, that delivery truck containing three headless bodies...did the deliverymen know that everyone was waiting inside with guns, or was the intention just to drop it off for near-future discovery? Does this mean there is another rat? I'm ready for those letters to get delivered. I sincerely hope Piney's contingency plan somehow included a copy of all the letters being hand-delivered to each club member...Clay included. Gemma should get her own copy, too...seems fair. I'm just sick of Clay getting away with this shit.
The kitchen-chilipot scene with Gemma was hilarious. As for Tig's daughter, it seemed pretty apparent to me she was going to snort/smoke/shoot-up the bucks from Tig, and he knew it. But giving her money is the only way he gets to see her. Spoiler Another way it could go is the letters come out, everyone finds out, Clay goes on the run and the next season is a SOA manhunt. But something's going to have to tie in the US attorney--maybe Clay makes a deal? Federal protection and he sells out the club, the cartel, the Mayans? And who's initials did Clay write in Piney's blood on that picture? It looked like SL?
Spoiler I think he was trying to write the initials for los lobos or whatever the rival cartel was...to try and shift the blame to them. Could be wrong, but that's what I first thought when I saw it.
Spoiler Yes there is no question that is what he was doing. That is the best way to shift suspicion from himself and makes immediate sense with the head business. Though is it Los Lobos or Los Sonora who calls themselves lobos? I'm diggin' this season getting bloody. It has been a gnarly ride. I also like how the focus has shifted a bit of of Jax and we get more of the club itself.
I got the impression, I think it was from the scene with Clay and Unser after the copied letters were burned, that Clay had JT killed because Gemma "cheated" on Clay with JT. Like, she went back and slept with JT again. That's why Unser burned them before Gemma could read them. Yes, the LS was for Los Sonorans or whatever the rival cartel is. Anyone else get the feeling the sheriff is going to end up siding with the club against Mayor McCreepy at the end of the season? Please tell me Tara taking the boys up to Oregon doesn't mean Maggie Siff being gone for the rest of the season. And if I remember right, the two fingered dude's name is Chuck.