Take your shitty kid and get the fuck out of here.

I try to avoid taking my kids places late at night. After 8 p.m., unless it's baseball season, they're washed and bound for bed. Period. If it's baseball season, I'm in a unique situation of trying to get them fed something that's not fast food before they pass out from exhaustion.
Either way, when I take my kids out, I demand they act properly. I'm not talking the Queen's manners or anything but by God, don't be annoying to the rest of the people in the establishment.




The movie theater we go to has a "no kids under X age after 7 p.m." rule for all movies over PG13. It's nice.
Also, this article made a lot of sense to me.

 

Man, some of you people must just have some shitty flying experiences. I have flown between 40,000 and 60,000 miles a year for the last 10 years (lots of coach), and can only recall a handful of times when kids were a real pain in the ass. I've also noticed that it's people who fly the least that usually do the most amount of complaining.

I've always been fond of the rule at McSorley's in Manhattan that you absolutely must be drinking in order to keep your table. McSorley's is one of my least favorite bars in NY, but at least they have their priorities straight.

 

Planes are different than other settings. I remember the first time I was on a plane (flying from Minneapolis to San Francisco, I was 7 or 8) and I was fine until the descent. However when we started descending the change in pressure was apparently too much for my little ears and I remember the pain of feeling like my head was literally going to explode. I don't think I was screaming but I know was a crying because it hurt so much.

My parents owned a bar when I was very little (around 3 years old) and during times they were separated my mom and I lived above it. When she was running it during the evening I'd be down there too.

 

I love the idea of a restaurant that doesn't allow kids at all, or after a certain time. Having worked in the industry, I know very well how obnoxious it is to be carrying a full try while dodging little shits running around yelling at each other.
But, it really does come down to parenting. How dare you smile at me after your little sex trophy piece of shit runs into me and then takes off. It's not cute. Little Timmy is an ass hole, and so are you.

 

The discrimination laws says what they say, but that shouldn't be the end of the discussion. Shouldn't we consider whether a private business should have the right to refuse service to blacks, Jews, or women? Doing so would provide certain advantages and disadvantages for the business - would the market dictate an outcome wherein racist business would suffer and rainbow business thrived? It bears consideration, in my opinion.

Lots of places have these type of rules to keep blacks out. No baggy jeans, medallions, etc. I recently saw a bar that required all hats to have a bill, i.e. no stocking caps. Again, it's debatable whether a "no blacks" policy should be allowed, but it doesn't sit well that if society wants to legislate equal access, businesses are still entitled to engage in facially neutral* discrimination.

*Facially neutral discrimination is a practice that doesn't read discriminatorily, but when applied to real life has a discriminatory result, e.g. a restaurant only serving people over 6'2", a Oklahoma state tax break only for casino employees or a movie theater only admitting patrons wearing tampons.

 

Although I think exceptions should be made for seeing eye dogs.

 

Frankly, I have no problem with this. I think that businesses have the right to refuse service to whomever they want. Store owner doesn't like black people? He can do as he likes. Black store owner down the street wants to get back at him? He can do the opposite.

However, your right to refuse service doesn't keep people from drawing attention to how much of an asshole you are. That aforementioned racist store owner would have a lot of fun dealing with picketers and people boycotting his store.

This article draws attention to a more interesting exclusion - will he be able to make money off of this? It's a given that he is going to lose a certain group of customers with this move. Will a new group of customers (ones who want to eat without worrying about a shrieking kid ruining their evening) balance or even exceed the loss?

 

I'm alright with it too. Fact is, would you rather be served by some jerkoff who doesn't like you because your black or brown, or head down the street to another restaurant that doesn't discriminate?

The choice is simple for me. The best way to get back at some two-bit shmuck who won't serve anyone who isn't white is to not give them your business in the first place. If they're forced by law to comply, they just might end up getting your money.

As for the article and the restaurant. I'm sure it'll do just fine. In my experience, dining families spend far less than other groups. Kids meals cost less, and if you have a family you're likely on a stricter budget, which means less to spend and less to tip. I also imagine beer, wine and liquor sales go right into the shitter when there's an army of kids eating out.

 

It took us 100 years to get to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That law, by the way, outlaws segregation in establishments that serve the general public. You all want to throw that away? You know our forebears spent 5 years killing each other over this?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

I may need a refresher in history but I'm pretty sure that when our forefathers fought in the civil war they weren't concerned with segregation.

 

Then call it treating an entire class of human beings as second hand citizens based on color.

Godamnit, I'm the Southerner here, why am I the only one outraged at this?

 

I think that we've grown up sufficiently as a nation that idiotic racism can be treated like, well, idiotic racism.

How many people do you know who can actually say "I hate black people" (or some variation thereof) without getting treated with a mixture of disbelief and contempt?

I think that if someone wants to segregate his business, it's his right to throw away free money. It's also everyone's right to call him a dumbass and go across the street to a store that's not retarded. We don't need a law to tell us that.

 

This doesn't horrify you? Because it turns my blood to ice.

 

Take it easy, cowboy. I'll be last person to tell you that racism is well behind us as a species, even in 2011, but it's certainly not as ridiculous as it once was.

Listen, I certainly don't advocate these shitheads who would segregate the races if they could get away with it. What I'm saying is that it's going to do them far more harm than good these days, and if they haven't gotten the message that skin color shouldn't be an issue, then they're not going to change. Not now, not ever.

If they want to be stubborn, short-sighted, bigot assholes then by all means, let them run themselves right out of business. No skin off my back. I don't have to pay attention to that meaningless horseshit they spew, and I certainly don't have to give them my money.

 

It makes me laugh, just like hearing someone claim that the Earth is flat or that the Pacific is filled with giant sea snakes. Such a viewpoint has been so publicly discredited that only a batshit insane dumbass would actually vocalize that belief. If you disagree with me, here's a person from the 60s...



"Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" was his promise. And there were a lot of people who agreed with him. How many politicians do you know who would actually say something like that today? How many average citizens do you know who would actually say something like that?

If someone wants to publicly discredit himself and his business by displaying that sign, so much the better. We don't need a law anymore to force people's opinions in line.

 

I think you're missing the point.

It's not that it's a credible ideology at this point, it's obvious that it's not. No one who still espouses that kind of shit is taken seriously, ever, by anyone with a grain of humanity or compassion. That doesn't mean that everything is okay, or that racism from yesteryear is something to just sit back and laugh at because most people today recognize how awful it was.

It wasn't that long ago. There's people you encounter everyday who were told they couldn't eat fucking lunch next to a white woman, couldn't drink from the same fountain, etc. You really think that it's not that big of a deal if they walked back into a place and had to deal with the same bullshit fifty years later, or that it's somehow okay just so long as other people acknowledge how fucked up the business owner is?

I don't think some of you guys really think through what you're saying before you click that little "submit" button. I'm one of the biggest morons here and even I can recognize how outright fucking retarded this is. There's a difference between a business owner choosing to outlaw behavior and those who continually display it, versus banning a fucking race.

 

My little corner of the world is primarily responsible for the subjugation of an entire race of people. That stain won't ever wash away. No matter what we do, no matter how much time passes, we will be guilty of something horrendous. Yet you advocate its return based on a business model.

Not while I breathe, gentlemen.

 

Goddammit, I really wished this thread didn't get so political, can't we go back to making fun of fat pasty white people and other groups no one cares about discriminating against while falsely implying that we are all tanned greek gods?

How about no dudes with floppy tits at water parks? If you're a guy and can fill a B cup you tape that shit up for the day or GTFO. That means too lhprop, I don't care if it's muscle, if it's tit, you strap on the strip.

 

I can't tell how much of this thread is sarcasm or not, but are we really comparing children banned from a restaurant to racism?

Call the ACLU, I'm sure they'd want to help. Or laugh in your face.