The EPIC Turkey Day.. ZOMG & THE EPIC XMAS D.T BOOM ROASTED!

It doesn't help that many women (and men) flirt like all hell without meaning it one bit. It's pretty hard to tell the difference between someone who just wants the attention, and someone who actually has an interest.

But of course all men are supposed to know exactly what's going on in your heads, even though you're rarely upfront about anything.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.

 

I've been thinking shouldn't creepers be considered confident? Theyre direct and forward about what they want, they pursue their interests and they go for it. By the logic I've heard women use so far these people should be considered desirable.

 

I'm pretty sure dcc's point was that she is insane....I'm not sure where you are coming from with the rest of that....

 

I don't think so. From my perspective, creepers are the guys who are say strange things or just seem "off". One of my friends from high school is hilariously terrible with women. He doesn't know (or take any advice about) how to just walk up to a woman and say hello or ask a co-worker to lunch. Pretty much everything out of his mouth is some weird quasi-sexual innuendo or just doesn't make sense. His utter lack of confidence makes HIM creepy.

 

You left out one crucial component: the ability to gauge a woman's reciprocating interest. The conversation that's been going on here centers around some males' (particularly young men like myself) inability to do precisely that, or at least act upon it.

 

I think the weird factor is more important for what distinguishes a creeper. James Bond hits on everything whether they're interested or not but because he's charming and good looking he's not a creeper. However someone who isn't charming isn't perceived the same way. Distinguishing intent matters but not as much as being verbally skilled.

 

So..., what about when James Bond is in a conversation and he casually lets it slip out that he is really good at eating pussy? Oh, wait...wrong question....

 

Back to the original point: Do you not understand that if a woman "'lets slip' in a conversation that she gives great head" to show that she is in some incredibly ridiculous paradoxical forwardly passive way interested, that she is insane? Guy's have signals too, they are called pretending to listen to the bullshit that women say. So, your move.

 

We haven't come full circle bc we've decided that the difference between a creeper and confident is mannerisms and conversational ability and not the ability to decipher what a woman's intent is.

 

I'm guessing you don't see the irony in that.

 

I'm just wondering why it is actually sensible (and I get it, it IS) for a girl to brag about blowjob skills instead of saying, hey, I think you're cute. Or, Hey, I like you. Or, Hey, let's go out some time.

Why can girls be comfortable being as ridiculously sexual as they want as long as they define themselves as objects first? You are woman, possessor of blowjob skills, not Woman....who likes me. You are woman, twirling hair symbolically like the other ones like like those other guys and such. etc..

 

I won $125 yesterday. I also drank much free beer. And I got to hang out with a few of my cousins that I don't see often enough. The first day of the year was a massive success.

Oh, and I also found out that my cousin is gay. I have given him shit about being gay almost my entire life, and he always got really shitty about it, and once even took a swing at me. I feel he owes me an apology.

 

He owes you an apology. Riiiiight.

 

Let's all not lose sight of the fact that, if a woman brags about her BJ skills, then the conversation has most likely been building up to that point. At least, that's how it was in my situation described earlier.

There's a vast difference between a girl saying that in an already sexually-charged conversation, and opening with it to some guy she approaches in Barnes & Noble.