Red dot from Stealth- I am currently in a strong relationship with someone who is disabled and definitely not trading "up." I have all the options in the world, I fell in love with someone who faces challenges walking, not to say fucking working and/or taking care of me. I am happy, however, happier then I have ever been with all the rich men I've dated. My self esteem is not so low that I feel any need to trade up, any man who has such a simple view of women ought to be sterilized. I'm done trying to explain a fucking thing to someone who is clearly beneath me intellectually.
You know what's funny? Me neither. Your posts have gotten so depressing that I just can't remember any more. Take a day off. [edit] I feel better knowing that I had two minutes more patience then NettData.
Oh come on, it's my first freakin day with a ban hammer in like 2 years. The miracle is that I lasted this long without banning someone. Anyone seen KiMaster around?
Sometimes control is overrated, you know. And he hasn't been back since I gave him a day off a few weeks ago for whining about what someone was saying about him. Didn't quite understand my whole "let it go and ignore it" suggestion.
The thing about Kimaster is that I kinda used to like his posts a while back. He seemed fairly level-headed and well-spoken. Then I started paying attention to him more...either that or he got dumped by a woman because he became a long-winded, woman-hating bitch. I always enjoyed how he would search through posts to re-red dot someone. An angry sumbitch he is.
I am sort of saddened. I thought Stealth conducted himself reasonably well at the start of the discussion, until his ego got bruised. I realize that this is a long, semi-off-topic screed, so no hard feelings if it gets deleted, but I'll chime in here because I drank that particular brand of Kool Aid myself when I was about 18-20, and I hope he eventually snaps out of it. (Also, this drives me fucking nuts because I deal with it frequently with a few of my friends, who have girlfriends with various issues, and I can't say this to them without bagging out their girlfriends.) Spoilered for ramblings. Spoiler Them: "Yeah, I hate it that women have <X behavioural trait">. Dude, women (as a group) don't. You might be dating one that does, and you might know a few who do, but how big is your sample size really? Best advice I can give you is - see if anything you are doing is causing the behaviour you claim to hate. I'm quoting Dan Savage here, but I think he has a point when he says "the only common denominator in all your failed relationships is you". This is particularly relevant for Stealth if he is hitting up the Melbourne bar scene. It's a fairly shallow and judgmental scene by Australian standards, populated with hipsters and people in skinny leg jeans and lenseless glasses earnestly discussing Foucault (incidentally I really like Foucault, but time and place, y'know?). If you keep looking for the girls with the $700 jacket and the $1000 purse drinking cocktails with hipster douchebags, don't be surprised when they want you to be rich, or intellectual, or <x> trait that you don't have. They ARE looking to trade up, and you aren't going to be on the winning side of that trade. Conversely, the girls who might have been interested in you, actual you, are going to parse "believes in PUA theory" as "misogynistic douche desperately trying to manipulate me into sex". And they're probably going to be right. You end up caught between the worst of both worlds, and get increasingly bitter. Ask me how I know, or even better, don't. Just consider whether your own actions, or the type of women you are seeking out and associating with, can be changed to get the results you want.
What is it about women (and some people in general) that brings out their extreme disbelief when I say I do not wish to have children, ever, and then spend 10 minutes attempting to explain it? Yes, I know I would probably be a great father and yes, I know it's probably a very rewarding experience, but if I hear one more "Oh you will, just give it time" I'm going to go OJ on someone. I've also realized that there may be no way for me to explain being anti-procreation without coming off sounding like a selfish juvenile, even though I've developed some pretty sound reasoning. Somewhat related: Is the mothering instinct such an overpowering hormonal response that it's responsible for less than .3% of women to share my desire to live child-free? Do you, at some point in life, just constantly feel the overwhelming urge to take care of a person? Is there more of a social aspect to it (don't want to be the only childless one of your girlfriends, lest you seem like an outcast)?
Back on topic: Women, honestly, when you're single, how often do you come up to guys and start a conversation with them? How does it usually go, I mean is it the same as if a guy starts the conversation with you? From what I've seen, it's never even though that's one of the hottest things a girl can do in a casual scene. It's almost as if all girls say that they do it, but never act. All bark, no bite. I'm a decent enough looking guy, but I can't remember the last time a girl I didn't know offered to buy me a drink or even strike up small talk...hell, even say Hi.
talking via PM about ethical social manipulation - thought it was worth reposting. Women don't trust other women. The only exception to this is and explicit act that implies taste. IE a woman won't ever trust another woman with her husband. A woman won't trust another woman's explicit statement that she doesn't like the first woman's husband. A woman will immediately doubt her husband's attractiveness when she sees another woman dismiss him as a potential partner. This is why a female wingman is an almost ideal situation. When a woman likes and trusts a guy enough to pimp him out, other women are immediately inclined to like and trust that guy more. But it's too explicit. A woman who is clearly into a guy who she likes and trusts makes that guy vastly more desirable to the other women who observe the behaviour. Cliquey cirlces - like hipsters or goths or whatever, have much better opportunities for women to observe other women. So you make friends with one of those women - ideally a fashion setter, because the other women in the clique are already used to watching her and inferring taste from her as a good idea. But any woman in the clique will do. And you're immediately in. Even if the girl you make friends with isn't immediately attracted to you, or better yet, if she's attracted to you, but unavailable - you gain respect for not pursuing her attraction because you respect whatever makes her unavailable. It's an instant in. You establish a single friendship and you have inroads with so very many people. Cliquey circles are the most effective place to do this - but really any time you make friends with a girl who has social contact with other girls - you create this kind of opportunity. This reflects back on the why girls are more attracted to guys in a relationship thing a little also, but the guy in a relationship thing is just as prominent when the girls don't know the guy is in an external relationship. I think the trying massively too hard thing is substantially more of a negative influence. Obviously this only works if you're the kind of guy who can legitimately make friends with women, and the bastard irony of this kind of thing is that it only works if you can make the initial friendship as a genuine friendship. You have to make the genuine friendship because you really want to be friends with that person, and just hope that it has the secondary benefit, but be legitimately cool with it not working out as you hope. This is the part that wannabe PUA's always fuck up - because they don't understand that going out to run game makes it impossible to form the kind of genuine friendly relationship that leads to these benefits. Another bastard ironic moment is the standard advice that PUA wannabe's so often don't get (and the key to most good natural game). The guys who do the best at picking up strangers in a bar or a club, are the guys who don't go out to pick up. Go to those places to have a good time and have fun and enjoy the night. Be relaxed and at ease and if you meet people and talk to them it's awesome. And if one of the people you meet and talk to is someone who you connect with and their's mutual attraction - it's awesome if you hook up and go home and fuck. But the key to this kind of natural game is to have it occur naturally. You go and do something because it's a good time. You go and hang out somewhere and have fun, and if that place happens to be a good place to meet sexually available people of your preferred gender - there's an excellent chance that you'll find a dynamic that leads to fucking. If you go to those places and act like a horny moron who's desperate to hook up and not there to have fun - you sabotage your chances drastically.
Whatever dude, my goggles and top hat will siren-call the sluts over, then I'll neg them till their Daddy issues make them blow me in the coatroom. Then I'll kick them out (of my coatroom) and fistbump like a champ. I'd like to see how well you do without a well-rated opener and a magic trick my internet buddies tell me is a surefire pantydropper. Don't you know that women are just looking for an alpha male to trade up?
I have heard of but never actually came across a woman who seemed like she was trying to trade up. So she dates a guy so long as a better one doesn't come around and sweeps her off her feet? Doubtful. If that happens it's because there is already an inherent problem in the relationship and the new person was a catalyst for change. If anything, guys would be more prone to that behavior based on natural instincts and such.
Tell 'em you plow through pussy like a harvester through a corn field. Or say, "Best guess, 1250 or so." Or "I've tapped more ass than a proctologist." Make the answer as asinine as the question.** My wife will do shit like that every once in a while: "Do you still love me as much as before?" "No, I loathe you. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer." Works every time. **Unless it's after bad sex, because then they're wondering if it's inexperience or if you just suck in bed. I remember seeing that... Let's see: Saved By The Bell 90210 Dawson's Creek MTV "reality" shows Seriously, any person who says, "I'm only going to date this person until something better comes along" either has no self-esteem and seeks to value themselves by who they date, or is a total fucking psycho.