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The Workout/Exercise thread

Discussion in 'Sports Board' started by Crown Royal, Nov 26, 2009.

  1. Frank

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    It's been a while, but when I went to college it was originally to be a dietitian (pretty gay, I know) and they told us dietary cholesterol was a useless nutrition fact. They told us saturated and trans fat was the best indicator of how a food impacts your LDL (bad cholesterol) levels and that things like eggs have been misdiagnosed as bad for your heart for years. He'd probably be better served cutting back on red meat than cutting back on eggs. Also, unless your doctor went through extensive out of curriculum training he/she knows approximately fuck all about nutrition beyond vegetables good, candy bad. They usually only have to take one nutrition class in their student careers, the rest of their knowledge comes from FDA pamphlets scattered in their office.

    Take that all that with a grain of salt though since our understanding of nutritional sciences is absolutely terrible and constantly changing... and I was a shitty student.
     
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    This.

    Most GP's know very little beyond diagnosing a cold and prescribing drugs. They don't know jack about rehabbing injuries, proper nutrition beyond what they read, like Frankie said 'in an FDA brochure', exercise, holistics, etc. You know, the things that make and keep us healthy.
     
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    I eat 4 extra large whole eggs, yolk and all, every day. My cholesterol levels are awesome. Shit, Mike Gill was eating a dozen eggs a DAY when he was training, and his levels were good too.

    Eggs are not the problem, look elsewhere.

    As far as militaryathlete - I wrote like two paragraphs explaining why I don't like it for military prep. Allow me to be a little more succinct:
    1. too much volume
    2. very little running -- some people have good crossover with crossfit style training and running times, I do not. For example, all of the members of my cf box are slow runners. I'm not convinced you can do away with a traditional running plan that is supplemental to whatever strength/endurance/stamina/whatever training you are doing. Don't even get me started on crossfit endurance.
     
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    I'm trying to learn as much about training ice hockey players as possible over the next few days. Does anyone have a good reccomendation for sites, or tips on training contact sport athletes who are late into the season? I'd love to see any links or info. Thanks!
     
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    A jumping off point: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.owatonna.k12.mn.us/Classroom/OHS/Language%20Arts/wfish/NTDP%20Off-ice%20Training.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.owatonna.k12.mn.us/Classroom ... aining.htm</a>
     
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    While I realize this probably isn't the kind of thing people are looking for in this thread...I don't think anyone is going to complain.
     

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    I've been going to the gym now for about a month for 4 days a week. I spend at least an hour on the treadmill in 3 separate 20 minute segments and do some weights in between. My problem is my outside lower leg muscles get very sore during the first 2 segments of my treadmill time, the first more so than the second. By the third segment it's not all that bad. I split it up like this because the muscles get just enough rest for me to go another 20 minutes. I'm guessing it's some type of stretching I need to do beyond the basic ones I do. Also, would seeing a foot doctor help? I've had heel and foot problems all my life and and I'm unsure if I need some type of special shoes or not. I really don't think it's shin splints[though they get somewhat sore also], I've looked at some muscle diagrams and it seems it's the area of the peroneus longus and peroneus brevis muscles that run down the outside of your legs. I'm 6' 3" and a bigger guy so that doesn't help much either. Today, even into my 2nd segment on the treadmill the pain got so bad that I had to cut my workout short and I am someone who needs some serious pain to stop whatever I'm doing. This is the first time I've had to do that. The pain pretty much goes completely away in 10-15 minutes.

    Here's a link to a muscle diagram.
     
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    I had similar problems, and I am a similar size, 6'3", 210 lbs, along with very sore knees, which then led to very sore hips. It required me getting custom orthodics to fix my gate. After that, all soreness went away, and my knees and hips felt far better.

    It might be worth seeing a chiropractor, foot doctor or whatever professional you have to do a gate scan, and see if there are any problems there, and if special shoes or orthodics would help.

    Your gate is just the way your foot strikes the ground. If it is striking it funny, it can cause numerous problems all through your body.

    You also might want to try running outdoors, since running on the treadmill over and over with just aggravate any problems you are already having.
     
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    Today I went and did my same routine just fine. Some pain in same muscles in the first 20 minute segment I did on the treadmill. After that there wasn't much pain at all. I did some extra stretches with my lower legs, ankles and feet and I think that helped. I really noticed that I tend to sway around on the treadmill too and I'm sure that is a problem.
     
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    If it's pain that hurts initially and then fades, then it's probably muscle tightness. Stretch more.
     
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    I'm going to have my right knee and left shoulder operated on this year. So since I can't lift or run, does anyone have any advice on some excercises I can do to keep the weight off? Dieting is just so hard, although I'm doing a good job with that. I want to be in relatively good shape by the time I'm able to work out again.
     
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    I had an injury in July that led to reconstructive ankle surgery in December. I haven't been able to run, jump, or squat since my injury. Since JULY. I never thought I'd make it through without going absolutely batshit insane. I thought I'd gain 20 pounds and turn into Jabba the Hut. You're going to gain weight; everybody does. I gained about 5-8 pounds/felt really gross and soft, and I was really strict with my diet...I knew I had to be since I couldn't even tolerate a stationary bike or Yoga things were so fucked up. Anyway, I've been active for 5 weeks now...the weight is gone and my body fat percentage is dropping.

    My point is that one of the main lessons I've learned during this experience is that your diet (at least for me) is probably 65% of your body. If you can keep that in check it will help a TON when it comes to getting your old body back. I have another month or so before I can run/do any plyo, and I've only been cleared for the stationary bike, the elliptical, Yoga, and Pilates, but my body is back to its normal weight. I expect to get even stronger/leaner/better than ever before when I'm back to 100%.

    It depends on what's going on with your knee/shoulder, but the non-impact activities I mentioned could be really good for you until you can get back to running and lifting.
     
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    So slightly off topic - but diet supplement pills that expand in your stomach to cause you feel full. They're being advertised on telelvision here - so I assume they've passed some kind of 'not massively toxic' test - and the idea seems at first glance to be plausible. Has anyone tried them/a particular variety of them? Is there a clear indication that they're an awful and stupid idea? Should I assume that non prescription offerings of this sort of product will be pointlessly impotent?

    I'm reluctant for obvious reasons to consider surgical stomach capacity reduction - but the whole not being hungry while reducing calorie intake thing sounds like an improvement over the alternative.
     
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    How much water do you drink a day? If you don't drink much, maybe that would be a better way to practice being full than some kind of pill. Also, veggies, or any other food with lots of fiber. If your goal is to stay full, you can do it without some kind of pill, in my opinion. But then, I prefer the right way rather than the easy way. If you really want to (maybe) feel full while taking a pill with god knows what in it, give it a try. Hell, post about the results too.

    Edit: Rereading this, I kind of feel like it makes me sound like more of a dick than I wanted to come across as. The point remains the same, though.
     
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    I drink a shitload of water, and I think my nutrition is pretty sound. And I doubt that any kind of over the counter pill will have as much impact as my existing exercise and diet plans. But the motivation is to make the process less unpleasant. While I can tolerate my existing diet - I know I'll back off of it sooner or more often than I would otherwise - because shit, it's just unpleasant being constantly hungry. Something that makes that unpleasant constant hunger less of an issue would be cool.

    Side note - someone suggested Xenical / Alli as an alternative by rep. The difference between Xenical full dose (the higher dose prescription version of Alli) and a placebo in clinical trials, was about a pound a month. Frankly, I'm happy to take an extra 6 months to lose the last 5 pounds, than I am to have involuntary rectal discharge as a likely side effect.
     
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    Eat slow-digesting foods that will keep you full longer without increasing calorie intake. e.g. nuts, and anything with casein protein (e.g. cottage cheese). I think the pill sounds like a terrible idea, adjusting your diet will be healthier and more effective.
     
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    I have a general question about dieting. I'm 21, 6', 228 or so pounds. I've lost 42 pounds since October 2010 thanks to meeting with a personal trainer a couple times a week and cleaning up my diet. I work out with him about 3 times a week, and we mainly do boxing and other forms of cardio. On my own, I try to get in at least a half an hour doing some cardio (there's a machine at the gym that's a combo of a bike and elliptical machine, where the arm workout is separate from the bike, that says I've burned 570 calories in 30 minute of work) and I feel a million times better than I did in October. My goal is to eventually be around 185 and under 10% body fat. I'm a big guy by nature, so I feel like if I got down to 185 I'd still retain some of the muscle that I have.

    My question is about my diet. I use a calorie counter as accurately as I can, and I've been eating between 1800-2500 calories a day pretty consistently. I don't have time for 5-6 meals with my school schedule, but I try to get in a snack or something to keep my metabolism going. Here's the basic diet I've been fucking around with since October.

    Breakfast- Maple Brown Sugar Quaker Oatmeal (160 calories)
    Afternoon Snack (rarely)- Some triscuits or nuts, usually around 200 calories
    Lunch- 2 pieces grilled chicken breast, black beans, salsa, guacamole, whatever vegetable the dining hall offers (600 calories)
    Dinner- Chipotle bread bowl- Chicken, beans, tomatoes, grilled vegetables, corn, guacamole (600 calories)

    I've varied dinner/lunch with either a Caesar salad with grilled chicken (580 calories), flatbread pizza from Cosi (800 calories, and only if I worked out), or a chicken wrap (500 calories, probably not the healthiest option). I realize I pretty much eat the same shit everyday, but it's been successful so far and I don't have the means/knowledge to cook for myself.

    Does this sound like total bullshit, or am I doing alright?
     
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    Given your goals, that diet looks just about perfect. As long as you don't feel like shit or get weaker, and continue to losing weight, you are on the right track. Good job on getting your shit together.
     
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